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I believe that would be gods' existence. God has always been.God's existence had to wait until humans could invent it.
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I believe that would be gods' existence. God has always been.God's existence had to wait until humans could invent it.
I believe that would make the God of the Bible a liar because He sated that He created everything.I selected God and existence started to exist at the same time, since I believe that both God and His Creation have always existed, from eternity.
Of course that doesn't mean that earth has always existed, but God's Creation is comprised of more than earth.
“As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 150
There is not a separate Christian God there is only one God and you should know that of all people.Didn't G-d (not Christians-God Jesus) always existed, and is therefore the First and the Last , every thing else got sxistence as bestowed by Him, please? Right?
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This topic probably comes up often on these forums, but I'm including a poll with multiple options and also putting this in debates, so there's that. The question on my mind is: Which came first, God or existence? By existence I don't mean the Universe. Doing some extrapolating, I would argue that existence first started to exist when The Omniverse existed. When did The Omniverse first start to exist? I would argue that it forever exists, always a part of the past, always a part of the future, and that the Universe we're in is a tiny fraction of its existence.
I intend on voting that God and existence came into being at the same time, as I see God as change and that God is what nature is becoming, every single day nature is becoming more like God, deep from its beginnings until now, and deep into the future even long after I'm dead. But I'm curious as what people think about this topic. Which came first to you? How and why? Let's have a deep discussion and dialogue about the very beginning, how it got here, and where do we go from here. Let us know what you voted and more importantly, why you voted that way. Votes will be public like usual, and you will only be able to vote for one option on this poll, to avoid contradictions.
Which came first: God or existence? Explain to us what you think and why you think that way here.
How could this be known, other than by positing it?I believe that would be gods' existence. God has always been.
Since God and His creation have always existed I don't see this as a problem.I believe that would make the God of the Bible a liar because He sated that He created everything.
Book of Revelation is not from Jesus/Yeshua the Israelite Messiah, please, right?There is not a separate Christian God there is only one God and you should know that of all people.
That is what both the Father and Jesus say about themselves in the Book of Revelation.
paarsurrey responded :Book of Revelation is not from Jesus/Yeshua the Israelite Messiah, please, right?There is not a separate Christian God there is only one God and you should know that of all people.
That is what both the Father and Jesus say about themselves in the Book of Revelation.
I believe things are known by the One who knows.How could this be known, other than by positing it?
I believe the word creation is defined as a beginning.Since God and His creation have always existed I don't see this as a problem.
I believe John the Apostle wrote the words of Jesus.paarsurrey said:
Didn't G-d (not Christians-God Jesus) always existed, and is therefore the First and the Last , every thing else got sxistence as bestowed by Him, please? Right?
Book of Revelation is not from Jesus/Yeshua the Israelite Messiah, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from Jesus that he wrote it, please, right?
Regards
How would you know what someone else knows?I believe things are known by the One who knows.
I believe that is a misunderstanding of scriptures.I believe the word creation is defined as a beginning.
I believe listening is the key to that.How would you know what someone else knows?
Who is "the One who knows" I should listen to?I believe listening is the key to that.
I couldn't vote - I don't agree with any of them.This topic probably comes up often on these forums, but I'm including a poll with multiple options and also putting this in debates, so there's that. The question on my mind is: Which came first, God or existence? By existence I don't mean the Universe. Doing some extrapolating, I would argue that existence first started to exist when The Omniverse existed. When did The Omniverse first start to exist? I would argue that it forever exists, always a part of the past, always a part of the future, and that the Universe we're in is a tiny fraction of its existence.
I intend on voting that God and existence came into being at the same time, as I see God as change and that God is what nature is becoming, every single day nature is becoming more like God, deep from its beginnings until now, and deep into the future even long after I'm dead. But I'm curious as what people think about this topic. Which came first to you? How and why? Let's have a deep discussion and dialogue about the very beginning, how it got here, and where do we go from here. Let us know what you voted and more importantly, why you voted that way. Votes will be public like usual, and you will only be able to vote for one option on this poll, to avoid contradictions.
Which came first: God or existence? Explain to us what you think and why you think thiat way here.
The question is incoherent. 'Which came first' needs time in order to make sense. Time is an feature of the universe, so you not only need existance but a physical universe to exist in order for 'which came first' to make any sense. Hence asking the question about existence makes no sense at all. Sorry.Which came first: God or existence? Explain to us what you think and why you think that way here.
You know what. I'm going to say it right now. I screwed up. I didn't know how to frame the question so that everybody would understand what I was saying. I didn't know what to use for the word existence so I just used the word existence. The question was really asking whether you believed the physical Universe existed first or if God existed first. Or was it? What if time exists in different Universes? What if there are different natures of unique Universes, that have more than one time dimension, or more spatial dimensions than the one in this Universe? What really is existence? What really is reality? I really didn't know how to ask a question as vague as this without having some issues framing the question itself. And so, I leave it to the readers themselves to interpret what the question means and how it relates to their understanding of both God and existence. As someone who is increasingly understanding God as reality, another word for existence, I answered that they came at the same time. But if both are eternal, there is no time where it even 'started', making this whole question itself null in point. So yes, I am completely aware of how convoluted and confusing a question like this is, and if you don't want to answer it, or feel like it's redundant in any way, please don't answer the poll and instead complain to me about how ridiculous a question like this is to begin with. As someone who already understands a rudimentary form of both physics and theology, I already know it is.The question is incoherent. 'Which came first' needs time in order to make sense. Time is an feature of the universe, so you not only need existance but a physical universe to exist in order for 'which came first' to make any sense. Hence asking the question about existence makes no sense at all. Sorry.
Yes, existence must be eternal (something can't come from nothing). God is eternal (by definition). That's why I voted "other".But if both are eternal, there is no time where it even 'started', making this whole question itself null in point.
I believe that is Jesus.Who is "the One who knows" I should listen to?