Poll: Your thoughts on incel men

[Rational Agnostic]

Just a random poll idea I had. For those of you who don't know, "incel" is an abbreviation for involuntarily celibate. Men who describe themselves as incels are men who would like to be sexually active, but are not because they are rejected by every woman that they attempt to initiate a relationship with.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Misogynist losers who think women owe them sex who have a tendency to veer into terrorist mass murder.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I've never heard of incel until now but if they're anything like 'nice guys' or 'friendzoned' then I haven't met any without an Atlas' sized boulder of misogyny their shoulder yet.

I have sympathy for people, on all sides of the gender, sex and sexuality spectrum who can't seem to find the right partner. I have sympathy for people in small towns where they might have legitimately difficult times finding someone with their hobbies, interests and passions. I have sympathy for people who have psychological, emotional, physical or even financial handicaps which makes romantic relationships scattered with pitfalls.

I have no sympathy for people who think other people owe them sex.

 

[Sunstone]

This is the first time I've heard of them too. I think it's probably up to the individuals and how they handle their involuntary celibacy that matters. I don't suppose they're all alike. I can't see why they would be.

I'm voluntarily celibate these days and the "burden of celibacy" simply doesn't exist for me. I'm happy. But I can see how some men would turn one way if involuntarily celibate while other men would turn another, and still others, a third way, etc.

There's no excuse for misogyny though.. Not even a lifetime of involuntary celibacy would even come close to justifying such a thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know any.
So I've no opinion.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is the first time I've heard of them too. I think it's probably up to the individuals and how they handle their involuntary celibacy that matters. I don't suppose they're all alike. I can't see why they would be.

I'm voluntarily celibate these days and the "burden of celibacy" simply doesn't exist for me. I'm happy. But I can see how some men would turn one way if involuntarily celibate while other men would turn another, and still others, a third way, etc.

There's no excuse for misogyny though.. Not even a lifetime of involuntary celibacy would even come close to justifying such a thing.

incel :: We Hunted The Mammoth

 

[ADigitalArtist]

incel :: We Hunted The Mammoth

That is... quite a bit worse than what I was expecting.

 

[Sunstone]

incel :: We Hunted The Mammoth

Thanks! That was helpful, even though it stretches my credulity to believe incels are all alike.

 

[Flame]

incel :: We Hunted The Mammoth

Here's a piece that I pulled from site.

Sororities are our target

I have zero sympathy for them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thanks! That was helpful, even though it stretches my credulity to believe incels are all alike.

The ones who apparently aren't aren't doing much if anything to push back against the psychopaths so they're at least complicit. It's a small Internet subculture so if you can come up as many examples of calls for violence, murder, rape and just plain old misogyny as can be found on incel forums...well, you can do the math. It's like claiming #notallneo-Nazis

 

[Sunstone]

I'd comfortably wager a sum on the notion that these incel men who are misogynists believe women owe them sex, or at least they have a right to women's bodies. "Why aren't I getting what I deserve? Waaaa! Filthy women!"

 

[Skwim]

I have sympathy for anyone not able to enjoy their sexual identity.

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[Sunstone]

I have sympathy for anyone not able to enjoy their sexual identity.

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What do you think of the misogyny associated with at least some of these men? Does that concern you?

And what should incel men do about their situation?

 

[Sunstone]

You know, the funny thing -- if there's a funny thing to this -- is that there is very likely no real reason most incel men couldn't get laid if they knew just few simple things and were willing to practice them. All that effort probably put into hating women as the gatekeepers of sex and the real problem is themselves.

I have observed that so very often inexperienced me do a combination of things that decreases their odds of getting laid, such as set up situations that practically beg women to reject them. And I'm not even an expert at these things. Makes me wonder why they don't notice these things themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have sympathy for anyone not able to enjoy their sexual identity.

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There's the one thing which all "incels" would have in common.
Too many seem to be inventing an archetypical enemy without
actually knowing any.

 

[YmirGF]

I'm not keen on describing them as incels. We already have a perfectly suitable word for people like this. The word is imbeciles.

 

[Sunstone]

I'm not keen on describing them as incels. We already have a perfectly suitable word for people like this. The word is imbeciles.

I don't like the incel label either. Makes it sound like all involuntarily celibate men are misogynists. I've been thinking, and I've known men who involuntarily went years celibate without developing any misogynistic feelings. Heck, one guy's best friend was a woman during most his celibate period (the two actually ended up in a committed sexual relationship that's still going strong, but not before he'd been celibate for something five or seven years).

 

[Skwim]

What do you think of the misogyny associated with at least some of these men? Does that concern you?

Not at all. There are too many other things in life to be concerned with.

And what should incel men do about their situation?

They would have to be addressed on an individual basis. In fact, although I've been long aware that many people don't have a sexual partner, full time or otherwise, I didn't know someone had invented a name and acronym for it. Seems a bit much, to be honest.

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[Kapalika]

I've never heard of incel until now but if they're anything like 'nice guys' or 'friendzoned' then I haven't met any without an Atlas' sized boulder of misogyny their shoulder yet.

By and large it's much worse than that. They are worse than the redpill movement and I've seen redpill videos celebrating violence against women showing videos of them being knocked out and attacked over verbal disputes. Just to give you an idea of scale.

A "nice guy" is just all talk and mostly just is an ***... these guys are different breed.

Granted some are probably okay people, but by and large a lot of them get angry and start blaming people. Honestly though I think most are probably celibate due to their own anxiety and not putting themselves out there. It's not at all hard to find sex if you actually go looking for it. Quality may vary, though. Ugly people have sex, crippled people have sex, mentally handicapped... what excuse does anyone have if they are not putting themselves out there?

And no I'm not trying to "put down" those groups, my point is those are groups eople might consider "unattractive" and yet they are getting it on... surprisingly a lot. So it really is their latitude and/or lack of motivation/anxiety.

Sadly it's too easy to want something or someone to blame...

I don't like the incel label either. Makes it sound like all involuntarily celibate men are misogynists.

Sunstone, that is literally the name they chose to call themselves and their community. It wasn't chosen by an outsider.

This is the first time I've heard of them too.

I'm surprised how many people are not familiar with them, but I guess only really the more explorer types on the internet know of them and other eccentric sub cultures. The Incel sub-reddit was taken down years ago for the violent stuff posted in there and the danger it posed to the community, and reddit is pretty lax of a place.

It's actually part of a larger network of ideas, and redpill bridges it to some of the unsavory aspects of MRA's. A lot in the atheist 'skeptic' community addressed feminism and redpill ect years ago and I kept up with all the drama. This is also when I was watching what those types of communities said about "SJW's" and "anti-SJW's". It's all part of a stupid pot, people like Armored Skeptic and Sargon of Akkad have defended MRA's and Redpill to varying extents (although in his defense Armored Skeptic was critical of many redpillers and MGTOWs). Actually Sargon was the person who popularized the fictional 4chan country "kekistan" whos' flag is literally a green nazi styled flag with the 4 chan logo on it styled into a swastika. Kekistan and Pepe (Pepe used to not be this but was appropriated by the movement) became symbols of the Alt-Right arm of Trump Supporters, and Sargon repeatably defended Trump constantly as did a lot of others in that community. ShoeonHead is another example who defended Trump a lot, and she's often used to 'disprove' feminism cause' shes female.

In any case this is something that's been brewing for years on the internet. The attack in Toronto as you may know was actually a copycat. If this all sounds insane though, it is. You might recall in the past I've been very critical of people who use anti-feminist arguments by those "skeptics" who defended MRA types whenever it comes to social justice and feminism and it's because I know where the rabbit hole leads to.

And now that rabbit hole has gotten people killed.

 

[Kapalika]

What do you think of the misogyny associated with at least some of these men?

I know you are asking someone else, but to reiterate my post a moment ago, but I've ventured into that community before out of curosity... it is by and large comically sexist with people saying things like they should be able to "rape women at will". The violent remarks, threats ect became so bad they are pretty much banned from most communities not even just reddit. Most are very very deeply sexist and you only need to look at some of their sites or what was popular on their subreddit before it got banned to get a sense for this.

The fact that one of them predominantly ran over women and made a FB post saying he reported to "4chan" is not at all something I am shocked by.