Polls: Clinton Wins Second Debate by Narrower Margin than First

[FearGod]

but I think he will do more than this to Muslims and Latino,if he take control.

It isn't he or she, it's how the real situation in America.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

but I think he will do more than this to Muslims and Latino,if he take control.

Godo gets it. Seriously, I don't understand why any Muslim would support a guy who wants to throw Muslims (potentially including American citizens) out.

It isn't he or she, it's how the real situation in America.

If Trump gets into the Oval Office he'll be the real situation in America.

 

[Lyndon]

Muslims voting for Trump is like slaves voting for their slave master.

 

[FearGod]

Muslims voting for Trump is like slaves voting for their slave master.

So you agree with the plan to move thousands of the Syrian refugees to live in America?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So far as I know, there were only two scientific polls (as opposed to numerous straw polls) taken immediately after the second debate Sunday night. These polls should be taken with a grain of salt because they are likely to be less accurate than the regular tracking polls that will be out in a few days (which themselves may be subject to error). Nevertheless, the two scientific polls are likely to be far more accurate than straw polls.

[Source: Clinton wins, Trump exceeds expectations, but few move]

[Source: Post-debate poll: Clinton 47%, Trump 42%]

Thoughtful Comments? Trenchant Opinions? Regurgitated Political Rants?

How I feel for letting myself step into another one of these threads.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Please cite those comments from the transcripts.

You're kidding, right?

TRUMP: Well, you're right about Islamophobia, and that's a shame. But one thing we have to do is we have to make sure that -- because there is a problem. I mean, whether we like it or not, and we could be very politically correct, but whether we like it or not, there is a problem. And we have to be sure that Muslims come in and report when they see something going on. When they see hatred going on, they have to report it. As an example, in San Bernardino, many people saw the bombs all over the apartment of the two people that killed 14 and wounded many, many people. Horribly wounded. They'll never be the same. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them. And, you know, there's always a reason for everything. If they don't do that, it's a very difficult situation for our country, because you look at Orlando and you look at San Bernardino and you look at the World Trade Center. Go outside. Look at Paris. Look at that horrible -- these are radical Islamic terrorists. And she won't even mention the word and nor will President Obama. He won't use the term "radical Islamic terrorism." Now, to solve a problem, you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least say the name. She won't say the name and President Obama won't say the name. But the name is there. It's radical Islamic terror. And before you solve it, you have to say the name.

So, in all of that Islamaphobic drivel, just WHERE is the answer? He's asking Muslims, who fear for their lives, the lives of their compatriots and who suspect that they will not get due process to out other Muslims in a system HE has made intolerable with his Islamaphobia. You think that's an answer? Don't Trump me, bro. Give a real answer here: not a Trumpism.

BTW, it's easy enough to look up the transcript from the debate. Don't be lazy.

 

[Scuba Pete]

So you agree with the plan to move thousands of the Syrian refugees to live in America?

Completely.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Words still matter to me.

 

[FearGod]

You're kidding, right?



So, in all of that Islamaphobic drivel, just WHERE is the answer? He's asking Muslims, who fear for their lives, the lives of their compatriots and who suspect that they will not get due process to out other Muslims in a system HE has made intolerable with his Islamaphobia. You think that's an answer? Don't Trump me, bro. Give a real answer here: not a Trumpism.

BTW, it's easy enough to look up the transcript from the debate. Don't be lazy.

Simply his answer is that there's no solution for the Islamophobia while some radical Muslim terrorists do exist
he asked him to see for example the bad things they did to America and how they did it outside of America as well.

 

[Lighthouse]

The rest of the world is flabbergasted. People still want Trump, and that USA did not have candidates better than these two floundering oldies.

Well said. How can the rest of the world take the US seriously with these two as our best choices? It is why the US is easily exploited by any foreign deal they make.
I do think Trump recognizes how this country is soft, weak, vulnerable, and easily fleeced by every other country though rather than seeing it as cupcakes and rainbows.

 

[Lighthouse]

She was offering smiles, whereas he was very serious, president like her is a disaster for America and for the whole world,IMHO.

I can't get past that highly fake smile. It is daunting.

 

[Scuba Pete]

the bad things they did to America

Watch it: your bias is showing. I bet you can't even see it which speaks volumes on volumes. Of course he and you don't see the answer. The problem with Islamaphobia in America is people like you don't even see it.

 

[Lighthouse]

Simply his answer is that there's no solution for the Islamophobia while some radical Muslim terrorists do exist
he asked him to see for example the bad things they did to America and how they did it outside of America as well.

I wouldn't have the slightest clue why America wouldn't want their own country shored up from the inside first. Radical, extreme, terrorists are masterminded at blending in with the common innocent looking civilian, it is their #1 survival tactic.
I think him and Hillary said the same things, that the Muslim community can help a lot. The only difference was allowing a flood of refugees in as opposed to not. To me, it is common sense after witnessing the problems brought into Europe, Sweden, etc.

 

[Lighthouse]

You're kidding, right?



So, in all of that Islamaphobic drivel, just WHERE is the answer? He's asking Muslims, who fear for their lives, the lives of their compatriots and who suspect that they will not get due process to out other Muslims in a system HE has made intolerable with his Islamaphobia. You think that's an answer? Don't Trump me, bro. Give a real answer here: not a Trumpism.

BTW, it's easy enough to look up the transcript from the debate. Don't be lazy.

I definitely understand the concerns there for the American Muslim citizens. He had a big chance to clarify this regarding supporting the American Muslim citizens but I believe it has never been expressed unless I am wrong.

 

[columbus]

So you agree with the plan to move thousands of the Syrian refugees to live in America?

Yes, probably. Depends a bit on what the plan looks like.
I live in Indiana, the state that Trump's running mate is governor. He tried to pass legislation barring any Syrian refugees. Fortunately the courts overturned that nonsense.

I honestly am not particularly in favor of bringing many refugees to the west. I think they'd be better off staying closer to home, both geographically and culturally. But the Islamic world appears to be a hostile place. So if they want to leave it behind, I wouldn't stop them. If they want to come here I am fine with that. As long as the government vets them appropriately and they get some support I see no problems.

Here's the thing. We already have many millions of refugees. The enormous majority are undocumented Mexicans. They are not screened in any way and there is little official interest in helping them get acclimated. They generally don't cause as much trouble per person as the natives. The Syrians would be vetted, and hooked up with local mosques, churches and community organizations to help them get settled and on their feet.
I am just fine with a few thousand coming to my home state, in an organized and legal way.
Tom

 

[Scuba Pete]

I wouldn't have the slightest clue why America wouldn't want their own country shored up from the inside first.

How many terrorist acts have been committed by immigrants since 9/11? None. Out of 750,000 refugees resettled here since then, there have been only 3 arrests and none of them were for domestic terrorism.

This is a solution in search of a problem.

 

[Lighthouse]

How many terrorist acts have been committed by immigrants since 9/11? None. Out of 750,000 refugees resettled here since then, there have been only 3 arrests and none of them were for domestic terrorism.

This is a solution in search of a problem.

That is up for debate. There are conflicts to that report and two sides for each bias. I can see from both sides.
Syria is also a different ballgame, as the US has not taken in many Syrian refugees thus far I'm guessing due to underlying reasons.
I'd imagine there can never be a full-proof safe vetting process while also acknowledging all it takes is a handful entering. Most of the Syrian refugees taken in by the US are children and only a small percentage of single males deemed of fighting age. I'm all for bringing children in. But when we look at a high amount of refugees taken in, we don't have to look far other to Europe, Sweden, etc. for the issues. Many aren't even refugees.
The situation is unfortunate in itself.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Many aren't even refugees.

Most aren't. Consider the Orlando attack. Was that a terrorist? No, not at all. That was a terrorist wannabe. It would be hard to claim he was really Muslim since he hadn't been to his temple in a long while. But, that doesn't stop the Donalds, er Islamaphobes, from decrying all Muslims as being dangerous. It's not a slippery slope, but a bigoted one.

 

[Lighthouse]

Most aren't. Consider the Orlando attack. Was that a terrorist? No, not at all. That was a terrorist wannabe. It would be hard to claim he was really Muslim since he hadn't been to his temple in a long while. But, that doesn't stop the Donalds, er Islamaphobes, from decrying all Muslims as being dangerous. It's not a slippery slope, but a bigoted one.

The terrorists themselves said they would infiltrate as refugee imposters.
I understand there are people who fear Islam, and people who do not fear Islam but rather fear radical extreme Islam.
It is not very just to assume everyone and everyone who may vote for Donald as being Islamaphobes.

 

[columbus]

The terrorists themselves said they would infiltrate as refugee imposters.

It would be impossible to stop a determined murderer willing to die for the cause. And I am unwilling to give up my principles and the freedom that makes this country great for the illusion of security.

We already have tons of dangerous people here who grew up in this place.
Tom

 

[fantome profane]

The terrorists themselves said they would infiltrate as refugee imposters.

And terrorists would never lie to us.

So terrorists don't want the U.S. to take in more refugees, should we let them set policy?