Polls: Clinton Wins Second Debate by Narrower Margin than First

[Scuba Pete]

The terrorists themselves said they would infiltrate as refugee imposters.

This is BS. The Orlando attacker was born here in Florida. He was a natural born citizen and emotionally unstable. He had NO BUSINESS being able to buy guns. We have to close those loop holes. We have to make it so we don't encourage copycat fidiots rather than sensationalize them.

No, not everyone who is voting for Trump is an Islamaphobe. But you can bet that every Islamaphobe is voting for Trump. He attracts racists and bigots like no other candidate since Wallace back in the 70s. You have to ask yourself "Why?" Feel free to join them. I certainly won't jump in that basket.

 

[columbus]

I am honestly more concerned about violence terrorist style from the basket of deplorables if Trump claims the election was rigged or some nonsense like that.
Tom

 

[Scuba Pete]

I am honestly more concerned about violence terrorist style from the basket of deplorabes if Trump claims the election was rigged or some nonsense like that.
Tom

That's a sobering thought, indeed.

 

[Lighthouse]

It would be impossible to stop a determined murderer willing to die for the cause. And I am unwilling to give up my principles and the freedom that makes this country great for the illusion of security.

We already have tons of dangerous people here who grew up in this place.
Tom

Why not address the internal problems first?
If we already have tons, why is it wise to add more?
Your principles will likely remain intact whether a mass amount of refugees are added or not added.
Would you offer to take some into your own home?

 

[Lighthouse]

And terrorists would never lie to us.

So terrorists don't want the U.S. to take in more refugees, should we let them set policy?

Pyschological game in my opinion, simultaneously not wanting the US to bring in refugees and infiltrating with refugees. It's a win either way. What's best for the US, not terrorists is the question.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Why not address the internal problems first?

We are the melting pot of the world. Our strength lies in our diversity. Our diversity is fed by our immigrants. We can't let irrational fear force us to abandon our strengths.

 

[columbus]

Why not address the internal problems first?

Because they need the help now!

No, if the USA starts slamming shut the door my principles are going away fast.

And yes, if my house weren't so small I would be happy to host a family or something. The local Catholic church already has a committee from the Peace and Justice people working on this and I am on the volunteer list.
Tom

 

[Scuba Pete]

We tried isolationism and the result was WWI. We got over that and resorted to isolationism again and so began WWII. How many times should we make this mistake?

 

[Lighthouse]

This is BS. The Orlando attacker was born here in Florida. He was a natural born citizen and emotionally unstable. He had NO BUSINESS being able to buy guns. We have to close those loop holes. We have to make it so we don't encourage copycat fidiots rather than sensationalize them.

No, not everyone who is voting for Trump is an Islamaphobe. But you can bet that every Islamaphobe is voting for Trump. He attracts racists and bigots like no other candidate since Wallace back in the 70s. You have to ask yourself "Why?" Feel free to join them. I certainly won't jump in that basket.

That has nothing to do with the topic.

I'm sure there are what you call "Islamaphobes" and "bigots" voting for both.

I do agree that he does attract and appeal to certain types of minds.

 

[fantome profane]

Pyschological game in my opinion, simultaneously not wanting the US to bring in refugees and infiltrating with refugees. It's a win either way. What's best for the US, not terrorists is the question.

Does what is best for the refugees fit into the equation anywhere? I mean they are people, suffering people.

But I still think taking in refugees is good for the country, and good for the war on Isis. Full disclosure, I am Canadian. My country has taken in 25000 refugees, and we should be taking in a lot more. And we will.

But Isis wants to frame this conflict as a war between Islam and the west. Taking in refugees cuts to the core of that idea. And whether we want to admit it or not this is a war of ideas. Taking in refugees and making allies of Muslim nations is a more effective tool than bombs.

Taking in refugees is good strategically, it is good economically, and it is the right thing to do.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I do agree that he does attract and appeal to certain types of minds.

Yeah, Islamaphobes, racists and bigots. "And some, I assume, are good people." (see what I did there?)

 

[Lighthouse]

Yeah, Islamaphobes, racists and bigots. "And some, I assume, are good people." (see what I did there?)

Thank you, I'm happy you mentioned "good people" albeit the need to add the word "some."

 

[Scuba Pete]

Taking in refugees is good strategically, it is good economically, and it is the right thing to do.

Amen, sistuh, amen!

 

[Scuba Pete]

Thank you, I'm happy you mentioned "good people" albeit the need to add the word "some."

Uh, that was a direct quote from Trump when he said all those bad things about Mexicans.

 

[fantome profane]

Amen, sistuh, amen!

Thanx bro.


(p.s. despite my avatar, I am a dude. Not that it matters)

 

[idav]

So you agree with the plan to move thousands of the Syrian refugees to live in America?

Fear is for the weak and only forces people to make more and more ridiculous laws. Just like what happened to airports since 9/11. I suppose we can start taking refugees toothpaste if people are really that scared and make sure everything meets the 3oz liquids rule.

 

[Lighthouse]

Does what is best for the refugees fit into the equation anywhere? I mean they are people, suffering people.

But I still think taking in refugees is good for the country, and good for the war on Isis. Full disclosure, I am Canadian. My country has taken in 25000 refugees, and we should be taking in a lot more. And we will.

But Isis wants to frame this conflict as a war between Islam and the west. Taking in refugees cuts to the core of that idea. And whether we want to admit it or not this is a war of ideas. Taking in refugees and making allies of Muslim nations is a more effective tool than bombs.

Taking in refugees is good strategically, it is good economically, and it is the right thing to do.

For what it's worth, this is one of most sound explanations I've heard for what is really going on, what you just summed up well.
Speaking truth of myself, what you said is where I've been all along and I have no rebuttal or will continue trying to play unbiased advocate on this "policy."
Thank you.

 

[Lighthouse]

Uh, that was a direct quote from Trump when he said all those bad things about Mexicans.

I'm glad you mentioned that. I know that you have more sound judgement than Donald, and have no need to stoop down to his level by calling any potential "good" voters of Donald as "some."

 

[Lighthouse]

Yeah, Islamaphobes, racists and bigots. "And some, I assume, are good people." (see what I did there?)

Pete, I know you have better judgement than that. Call out your own "bigotophobia" and "racistophobia" before speaking extreme about "Islamaphobics."

They are humans living in fear and hate, in need of love just as terrorists.

 

[Lighthouse]

Because they need the help now!

No, if the USA starts slamming shut the door my principles are going away fast.

And yes, if my house weren't so small I would be happy to host a family or something. The local Catholic church already has a committee from the Peace and Justice people working on this and I am on the volunteer list.
Tom

Good for you bud, good for you .