Pope Accuses Sex Abuse Victims Of Slander

[Rival]

Ah, but was Pope talking about the UK or somewhere else?

I don't know.

Also, how much easier is it to become a priest/monk than any of those professions?

It's actually not that easy. One typically needs a BA. Then he usually needs to go to a seminary for about four years or so. They vet you a lot even just based on personal characteristics such as your manners and how you come across as a person. So there are exams too and it takes a long time.

 

[blü 2]

"Pope Francis accused victims of Chile’s most notorious pedophile of slander, an astonishing end to a visit meant to help heal the wounds of a sex abuse scandal that has cost the Catholic Church its credibility in the country.

Francis said that until he sees proof that Bishop Juan Barros was complicit in covering up the sex crimes of the Rev. Fernando Karadimas, such accusations against Barros are “all calumny.”​

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Bergoglio isn't debating Karadima's guilt.

He's debating Barros' complicity in the cover-up.

What is the evidence that Barros was indeed complicit?

If it's there, well, Bergoglio's certainly leading with his chin.

If it's not, he's right and his detractors are wrong.

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[Shadow Wolf]

This "100 times" figure is unsupported.
The author also use statistics which aren't comparable, eg,
including underage sex with adults in the pedophila category.
And finally, the church systematically protects & enables pedophiles,
while the same claim against schools is unsupported.

About the author.....

No wonder he tries to exculpate the church by pointing
his finger at others with mischievous claims.

God, I just knew I should have taken the bait on that one.

 

[Revoltingest]

God, I just knew I should have taken the bait on that one.

Bait....as in "want candy, little girl?"?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Bait....as in "want candy, little girl?"?

Only if it burns my tongue off or shrivels it up. Blisters my mouth or erodes my teeth.

 

[Tmac]

Hmmm......the scripture should be changed then.

Scripture? I'm talking about the laws of the animal kingdom, of which we have our beginnings, old habits are hard to break.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't know.

Well it'll be important as countries like America and, presumably, Chile are more religious than the UK thus priests will probably have more influence there.

It's actually not that easy. One typically needs a BA. Then he usually needs to go to a seminary for about four years or so. They vet you a lot even just based on personal characteristics such as your manners and how you come across as a person. So there are exams too and it takes a long time.

This actually makes it sound like it's easier to become a teacher/doctor/lawyer than a priest; you need to study for a bit more than 4 years and you'll be consistently vetted across your career in the cases of the first three. Whereas if you're a priest all you need to do is not get caught by the public and the Church will do what it can to keep you out of trouble.

 

[Rival]

This actually makes it sound like it's easier to become a teacher/doctor/lawyer than a priest; you need to study for a bit more than 4 years and you'll be consistently vetted across your career in the cases of the first three. Whereas if you're a priest all you need to do is not get caught by the public and the Church will do what it can to keep you out of trouble.

You're not actually consistently vetted in becoming a teacher. Also more and more schools are becoming academies and you don't even need a teaching degree to work there. It is easier to become a teacher or TA than a priest, so for this reason alone a lot of paedos and hebes will prefer it, plus it's nearer to kids. The vetting isn't a bother because most go in with a clean DBS (CRB) and few are caught. With all eyes on the RCC it's more and more difficult to hide.

But basically spotting it is impossible. Children have to say something and you can suspect it all you want, but unless a child says it specifically you can literally take no action.

 

[Nakosis]

The pope is only considered infallible when defining a Dogma excathedra

Do you have an example of Pope Francis ex cathedra?

Does the Pope declare this in some formal manner, kind of like a judge putting on his robe?

 

[metis]

Do you have an example of Pope Francis ex cathedra?

Does the Pope declare this in some formal manner, kind of like a judge putting on his robe?

It's rarely invoked and quite complicated, so reading this might be your best option: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Ex_cathedra

 

[Spiderman]

Do you have an example of Pope Francis ex cathedra?

Does the Pope declare this in some formal manner, kind of like a judge putting on his robe?

Do you have an example of Pope Francis ex cathedra?

Does the Pope declare this in some formal manner, kind of like a judge putting on his robe?

The Pope almost never defines a Dogma excathedra

 

[Nakosis]

It's rarely invoked and quite complicated, so reading this might be your best option: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Ex_cathedra

I did, still confused but thanks.

 

[robocop (actually)]

There you have it today.

This Pope apologized. Even though he said he didn't know for sure, he apologized to everyone anyway.

 

[Skwim]

There you have it today.

This Pope apologized. Even though he said he didn't know for sure, he apologized to everyone anyway.

Evidence?

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[Revoltingest]

Evidence?

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/americas/pope-francis-sex-abuse-victims/index.html

Questions about Bishop Barros dominated a news conference held on the papal plane during the Pope's return to Rome following his visit to Chile and Peru. In response to those questions, Francis admitted he had made an error in choosing his words and apologized to victims of clerical sex abuse.
"I apologize for hurting them without realizing it. But I did not intend this," said Francis.
"The word 'proof' was not the best way to approach a pained heart. I would say 'evidence.' In Barros' case, it was studied. It was restudied. And there is no evidence. And that is what I wanted to say. I don't have evidence to convict.
"If I convicted without evidence or without moral certainty, I would commit a crime of being a bad judge," said Francis.
'I am convinced he is innocent'
He also reaffirmed his support for Barros -- and his assertion that allegations of sex abuse without evidence are slander.
"I am also convinced he is innocent," he said.
Cardinal O'Malley, while partly critical of the Pope, also defended the pontiff's commitment to a zero-tolerance policy on clerical sex abuse.

He still doesn't appear to fully get what's going on.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Evidence?

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/americas/pope-francis-sex-abuse-victims/index.html
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-pope-apology-chile-20180122-story.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...o-sexual-abuse-victims-but-still-backs-bishop

 

[robocop (actually)]

That Pope decried Fake News today, saying that false information spreading is evil. He talked about the importance of responsible journalism.