Pope Francis allows priests to bless same-sex couples (not marriage)

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Would that be the same Christ who told sinners that it is better to lose a limb than to risk one's soul by sin? The same Christ who said that he will cast his enemies into the outer darkness? It is interesting how people tend to omit that aspect of Christ when they talk about what being "Christlike" means.

The same Christ whose beloved was John?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

As I see things the goal isn't to be welcomed into the Church. It's the destruction one of the few remaining (important) institutions of formal Christian teaching.

If the church is sinning, it needs to stop.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The Catholic clergy cannot demand my assent if they themselves feel free to dissent from the religion they claim to teach. Because it has all the sudden become inconvenient in a world hostile to its claims.

Should the church burn women at the stake because they used to?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Sins against social justice, the sins of fraud, robbery and treason are unforgivable.

My bible says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable thing.

 

[Estro Felino]

My bible says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable thing.

..which consists in?
Give me an example.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

..which consists in?
Give me an example.

I thought the context was calling holy things evil or whatever.

 

[Estro Felino]

I thought the context was calling holy things evil or whatever.

My point was that fraud, that is, defrauding your own neighbor to get richer and richer is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
So it's unforgivable.
Do you agree?

 

[1213]

Every Sunday at mass, probably. The congregation are all sinners in various ways, some of them are probably thieves and some may well have committed mortal sins, though murder would be rare, in the UK at least.

Ok, if they bless everyone, regardless of how evil the people are, then I don't see any logical problem, if they also bless those who are homosexuals. But, it would be interesting to know, what blessing means to them. I think it would mean that the person gets rid of his wrong ways and for example gives up homosexual way.

 

[exchemist]

Ok, if they bless everyone, regardless of how evil the people are, then I don't see any logical problem, if they also bless those who are homosexuals. But, it would be interesting to know, what blessing means to them. I think it would mean that the person gets rid of his wrong ways and for example gives up homosexual way.

A blessing is just a prayer invoking God’s favour on the blessed.

 

[Wu Wei]

I believe the OP was about blessing the couples, not the unions themselves.

Read the article,

Pope Francis Did Not Just Authorize Priests to Bless Same-Sex Unions

COMMENTARY: Anyone who claims that the Fiducia Supplicans authorizes blessings of same-sex unions has not read the declaration or is intentionally misinterpreting it.

www.ncregister.com

apparently it is not even blessing the couples

From the article

"If anything, the document could be understood to encourage blessings so that same-sex-attracted individuals (or any individual in what the document calls an “irregular” relationship) will be encouraged to live out God’s plan for human sexuality rather than their own."

 

[metis]

The liberal leaning clergy wish to be liked by the world.

Or is it that they believe in Jesus' words to "love one another"?

 

[metis]

I think it would mean that the person gets rid of his wrong ways and for example gives up homosexual way.

That is a form of "love", so we are supposedly to hate instead?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think it would mean that the person gets rid of his wrong ways and for example gives up homosexual way.

How would you feel about being asked to give up your heterosexual ways?

 

[Glaurung]

Or is it that they believe in Jesus' words to "love one another"?

I'm going to put things very bluntly. The teaching of the Catholic Chruch is thus: those who die in unrepentant sexual sin will burn in Hell. (Yes, even in the Francis era catechism, that is what the Church officially teaches). Now, if the Bergoglios and the James Martins of the world want to present themselves as believing Catholic clergy then that is what they must believe. (Tiptoeing notwithstanding). If the Catholic Church can no longer bring itself to say that, then it and its whole religion is a fraud.

This is why I almost hate the Catholic Church at this point. The whole thing has been overrun by doublespeaking cowards. No, neither you or America Magazine are going to convince me that Jesus was a secular progressive with the "correct" 21st century opinions on gender and sexuality. I'm not playing that game.

 

[F1fan]

No, it wasn't. Christ's mission was to pay the penalty of sin (death) on our behalf.

You make it sound as if it was Jesus' idea to be born, and then executed as a sacrifice to God.

This restored the means for a salvific relationship between God and man and offers us a path of liberation us from sin and its ultimate consequences. tcf9y\\\==[[

Well, Christians changed the Jewish idea of salvation to create a whole new meaning. Of course the whole "Jesus as savior" myth is absurd literally. Seriously, if a God was to exist why would it not just make the salvation available via direct magic?

Christ indeed left an example of corporal charity, but corporal charity alone is not the main point of Christian teaching.

Well there are lots of ideas, and that is illustrated by the some 44,000 different sects.

By the way. Everything I referenced (the outer darkness) is New Testament.

It's your interpretation that adds the questionable content.

 

[F1fan]

I'm going to put things very bluntly. The teaching of the Catholic Chruch is thus: those who die in unrepentant sexual sin will burn in Hell. (Yes, even in the Francis era catechism, that is what the Church officially teaches). Now, if the Bergoglios and the James Martins of the world want to present themselves as believing Catholic clergy then that is what they must believe. (Tiptoeing notwithstanding). If the Catholic Church can no longer bring itself to say that, then it and its whole religion is a fraud.

This is why I almost hate the Catholic Church at this point. The whole thing has been overrun by doublespeaking cowards. No, neither you or America Magazine are going to convince me that Jesus was a secular progressive with the "correct" 21st century opinions on gender and sexuality. I'm not playing that game.

Give the Catholics a little credit for updating their business model to not **** off all their customers. Heck, even the hard liners don't believe that the rules apply to them.

The funny thing is that if conservative theists really believed a God exists they would bend over backwards to be decent people. They don't.

 

[CharmingOwl]

I am not Christian but if I was I would personally reject this for not being enough. A lot of people in the LGBT community seem to hate religion or view it as outdated if at all applicable to their lives, and I think this recent trend of gradually and subtly moving towards modern acceptance attitudes is the organization trying to be inclusive, while not alienating or challenging strongly prejudice that some people can have in that religious group. It seems like strategic maneuvering by the church that refuses to clearly pick a side.

 

[1213]

A blessing is just a prayer invoking God’s favour on the blessed.

Ok, but what does "God's favour" mean in your opinion, if not getting rid of bad ways?

 

[1213]

That is a form of "love", so we are supposedly to hate instead?

No, I don't think we should hate any person, only bad/stupid actions.

 

[1213]

How would you feel about being asked to give up your heterosexual ways?

I would be curious to know, why should I do that.