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Pope says anti-maskers stuck in ‘their own little world of interests’

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Who said I didn't wear a mask just because I'm skeptical of the politics and attitude behind it?
Please except my apologies for my poor writing skills. I was in no way suggesting (you) don't wear masks. And I was just saying I don't have any other opinions on this particular matter not that I was done with you in general. And yes, they are just my opinions but they are opinions that are backed by data and science.

No, of course people don't need to wear masks if they are alone in their car or alone anywhere else. Although, I do wear one when with my mother in my car just in case I am sick but don't know it. I meant wearing them around others and of course the social distancing is a big part of it.

One could suggest high risk people should just stay home but that is not always possible. Even then, many people in elderly care homes have died because it gets in through the staff.

I think 80 percent of people understand the importance of mask wearing. I was only complaining about the percentage who think their personal freedoms are being intruded upon or the portion that just think this is no big deal and go to bars and big parties and don't wear them. They are mostly the cause of spread.

Some opinions are more valid than others and I feel the opinion that wearing masks in public or enclosed spaces when around other people is a valid opinion. Not wearing masks around others because it treads on personal freedoms or because they don't care if others get sick to me, is not a valid opinion and are bad ideas. That's all. I think we agree on this at least. Stay safe.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
We expect them to actually somewhat follow their namesake?

I see Jesus as a libertarian, letting people sin as they freely choose, even allowing people to torture and kill him, and betray him as they wish, when he could have easily stopped it.. Same with God, watching Adam and Eve eat forbidden fruit, and doing nothing at all to stop them.

God seems Libertarian to me... The opposite of authoritarianism... Live and let live is a very Holy motto as far as I can see.

...I see the devil as a representation of the great coaxer, representing the spirit of Authoritarianism -trying to persuede people into doing things.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Please except my apologies for my poor writing skills. I was in no way suggesting (you) don't wear masks. And I was just saying I don't have any other opinions on this particular matter not that I was done with you in general. And yes, they are just my opinions but they are opinions that are backed by data and science.

Thank you. All my life I haven't always "sided with the group" on different issues. I usually stand to the side and observe why people react before I do. Its nothing specifically has to do with COVID. I'm just critical of the politics surrounding it.

As for mask wearing, I never rejected or denied the medical science behind it. I should hope doctors wear masks when they treat their patience (sanitize, and everything in between). I'm not one to hold a picket sign (activism or just on RF even) whether it be pro-mask or anti-mask. I think a lot of people think I devalue the nature and seriousness of COVID and masks because I don't share their attitude. I never said I disagreed with science and the purpose of masks, so I'm not sure the actual argument people have against my opinion just the feelings that drive it.

No, of course people don't need to wear masks if they are alone in their car or alone anywhere else. Although, I do wear one when with my mother in my car just in case I am sick but don't know it. I meant wearing them around others and of course the social distancing is a big part of it.

I don't put too much emphasis on asymptomatic symptoms. If I put things in perspective, especially since the symptoms mirror other illnesses, if I thought I "may" have it all of the sudden I'd drive myself nuts. The best thing I do to not spread the virus (if I had it) is not to be around people. Over here, we're not around people anyway to even make a big issue out of social distancing. Everything transitioned just fine. If I had symptoms and decided to go in people's faces, pro-maskers would have a huge point. But not about the material itself.

I think the mask thing is also a safe than sorry thing. I'm sure most people are aware of their own body to know which symptoms they are familiar with (a cold, coughing because of dust in the air, lack of breathe because of Asthma) and things that may be abnormal (unusual fever or lack of breathe without any known cause). Instead of wearing mask, I'd say get a diagnosis-quick.

One could suggest high risk people should just stay home but that is not always possible. Even then, many people in elderly care homes have died because it gets in through the staff.

The way the attitude about it being very dangerous (immediate deadly contact), I'm sure people would stay at home and order food and items. If it were a plague, believe me, people would find a way.

I live in an independent living complex for elderly and people with disabilities. We are required to wear masks but I don't see the office enforcing it unless we have to visit the office for a reason. I don't get in people's face long enough to make people uncomfortable around me, so I guess it's by situational issue.

I think 80 percent of people understand the importance of mask wearing. I was only complaining about the percentage who think their personal freedoms are being intruded upon or the portion that just think this is no big deal and go to bars and big parties and don't wear them. They are mostly the cause of spread.

I see both sides, actually. I can see why it feels like it's against one's freedoms but I honestly don't believe that's the point. I'm sure many people would wear masks if the government did not force it on us (generalizing for sake of conversation). In other words, it's not about the masks-people do care about others-it's the politics behind it.

I guess another way to put it is people know to where their seatbelt but some people get irritated that there is a law against something they think is common sense. I think it's the enforcement that's the issue and the mask is a symbolism or tool to express it. (How to say, can't think of the right word...something a child would do)

Some opinions are more valid than others and I feel the opinion that wearing masks in public or enclosed spaces when around other people is a valid opinion. Not wearing masks around others because it treads on personal freedoms or because they don't care if others get sick to me, is not a valid opinion and are bad ideas. That's all. I think we agree on this at least. Stay safe.

I think both are justified based on each person's argument. It doesn't make one side better than the other unless the anti-mask people were symptomatic and didn't care about making others sick. I think its more about the asymptomatic thing. If the virus didn't have asymptomatic symptoms, would pro-maskers still be angry at anti-mask people?

You're language skills are excellent, actually. I wouldn't have known.
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
When people make irrational and unsubstantiated assertions, they get corrected. That's how debate works.

No. Nobody needs to be "corrected"... That's an attitude of superiority that's a lot like authoritarianism...

You can offer your opinions all day long, but don't think you're going to "correct" people, LOL... You can't "correct" me.

...Maybe as a suggestion, you should practice adding "IMO" at the end of all your posts. That’s my best advice for you... IMO.
 
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MNoBody

Well-Known Member
masks and gloves have a duty cycle, which once exceeded they no longer provide protection [in fact they become a fetid vector for bacteria to breed..... much the same as a condom that has been used a bit..... not likely very effective according to specs.
and having used such equipment for over 3 decades in the field I concur.
they only provide protection when they are pristine and not sweated up.
but i still use them despite their shortcomings..... just don't re-use them or use them too long past their specified usefulness which one has to gauge as they use them.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
masks and gloves have a duty cycle, which once exceeded they no longer provide protection [in fact they become a fetid vector for bacteria to breed..... much the same as a condom that has been used a bit..... not likely very effective according to specs.
and having used such equipment for over 3 decades in the field I concur.
they only provide protection when they are pristine and not sweated up.
but i still use them despite their shortcomings..... just don't re-use them or use them too long past their specified usefulness which one has to gauge as they use them.

I use my N95 masks as little as possible, that way they last longer... I get a pack of 3 from Staples for $15.00, and they last a little more than a month.

I like to wear cargo pants, and keep my N95 in my side pocket at all times (with my cigarettes on the other side), only wearing it when I'm within 12 feet of someone not in my family, and then putting it right back into my pocket once their gone.

...But I like my space. I've never liked anyone getting into my 12 foot space, so that's why I hardly even need to wear a mask. :)

...I don't like being indoors either. I spend the majority of my life outdoors.
 
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Zaha Torte

Active Member
You tell me your the one who started making sweeping statements, including insults. I assume you meant lefties. Or were you lumping me in another category?
I first spoke of those who assemble (against COVID restrictions) to protest against racism.

Then you came in and said, "We decisively want less police intervention" and you asked me where I got my info about you (you said "us").

So - I'm assuming based on your response - that you are among those who assemble to protest racism in violation of COVID restrictions - therefore - you support the assault and riots that coincide with those "mostly peaceful" protests.

Should I assume that you support the BLM movement?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
So - I'm assuming based on your response - that you are among those who assemble to protest racism in violation of COVID restrictions - therefore - you support the assault and riots that coincide with those "mostly peaceful" protests.

That's odd. Why would you assume I support "riots" or assault, simply because I support the cause of the protests themselves? Do you support every single action of every single person who has ever protested mask orders? Or any other cause you support?
 

Zaha Torte

Active Member
That's odd. Why would you assume I support "riots" or assault, simply because I support the cause of the protests themselves? Do you support every single action of every single person who has ever protested mask orders? Or any other cause you support?
If you support ISIS's cause - you are supporting terror. I see no difference between that and BLM.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I see Jesus as a libertarian, letting people sin as they freely choose, even allowing people to torture and kill him, and betray him as they wish, when he could have easily stopped it.. Same with God, watching Adam and Eve eat forbidden fruit, and doing nothing at all to stop them.

God seems Libertarian to me... The opposite of authoritarianism... Live and let live is a very Holy motto as far as I can see.

...I see the devil as a representation of the great coaxer, representing the spirit of Authoritarianism -trying to persuede people into doing things.
So god had no commandments nor a hell for those who failed to abide them? Have you ever read Leviticus? The god of Abraham was a petty, vindictive tyrant.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
So god had no commandments nor a hell for those who failed to abide them? Have you ever read Leviticus? The god of Abraham was a petty, vindictive tyrant.

Do I have to follow the commandments? No, I have the free will to decide. And we all die the same.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
No. Nobody needs to be "corrected"... That's an attitude of superiority that's a lot like authoritarianism...

You can offer your opinions all day long, but don't think you're going to "correct" people, LOL... You can't "correct" me.

...Maybe as a suggestion, you should practice adding "IMO" at the end of all your posts. That’s my best advice for you... IMO.
So you're saying 2+2=5 is just as valid as 2+2=4?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Do I have to follow the commandments? No, I have the free will to decide. And we all die the same.
The bible had people put to death for trivial and arbitrary offenses, and then there is that whole eternal damnation thing. So adorable twist attempt, I suppose.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Did I say I was talking about mathematics? You think you have all the right answers to life, so you can be everyone's life-teacher..? You just have opinions.
I'm just saying that things which are substantiated by logic and evidence hold more value and validity than things which are not. Is that not sensible and reasonable?
 
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