"Pope suggests it's better to be an atheist than a bad Christian"

[lostwanderingsoul]

Good Catholics believe the Pope speaks for God. So why would they try to make something happen that the Pope says cannot happen? Start your own church and have all the women priests you want.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He definitely is trying to get the church past it's stone throwing. BTW did you hear his statement on women in the priesthood? He stated women will never be priests!!!! Wow he really understands women. If you want to cause women to make something happen just tell them they can't!!!. He has placed that burden on the women to make it happen not on the men to make it happen. Even though the comment may grate on women that's the intent. The funny part in his home area in Argentina all the women just love him to pieces. What we get with him as the pope is very thought out and a very attuned. Something popes aren't at all historically. ST. Therese is one of his very favorites!! I am not a Catholic but I spend a number of days each year at the national sanctuary called the grotto of OSM (Our sorrowful Mother. ) in Portland oregon. I am like John Muir my view is of the landscape and thus mother nature. And right now she looks very sorrowful. If you are ever in Portland it's a must visit. I will even give a tour if asked !!! Love that place.

There's a difference between a person's faith and discrimination, though. In America, we don't give too much thought of women covering their heads because they are Muslim and they were born and raised in in the US and are US Citizens. Yet, they follow a religious law that shows humility to the creator by covering their heads. Yet, we are in a hissy-fit when someone shows their way of humility and law in another country! America is something else.

Catholics have their code of humility and law just as every other religion. I'd be deeply surprised, and actually unnerved, if the pope decided to let women become priest. It's not that it's a bad idea, it's that if you actually believe "women should not be priest because jesus said so" where, in the bible, does he say he automatically changed his mind so the pope has the authority to say let women be priest in the Church? (Women priest may come soon but I would love to see LGBTQ Catholics be married in their own Church some day.)

What did my parish priest say, well... he didn't say anything, shook his head, and said that we need to start looking more to the saints for help as we are getting further away from our roots. (Remnants of former Masses. I used to go to Mass everyday).

 

[David T]

There's a difference between a person's faith and discrimination, though. In America, we don't give too much thought of women covering their heads because they are Muslim and they were born and raised in in the US and are US Citizens. Yet, they follow a religious law that shows humility to the creator by covering their heads. Yet, we are in a hissy-fit when someone shows their way of humility and law in another country! America is something else.

Catholics have their code of humility and law just as every other religion. I'd be deeply surprised, and actually unnerved, if the pope decided to let women become priest. It's not that it's a bad idea, it's that if you actually believe "women should not be priest because jesus said so" where, in the bible, does he say he automatically changed his mind so the pope has the authority to say let women be priest in the Church? (Women priest may come soon but I would love to see LGBTQ Catholics be married in their own Church some day.)

What did my parish priest say, well... he didn't say anything, shook his head, and said that we need to start looking more to the saints for help as we are getting further away from our roots. (Remnants of former Masses. I used to go to Mass everyday).

I should have known you had catholic roots!!! BTW Mary was the founder of the faith. Hope that gives you a scoobie doo moment!!! I have a photo even to prove it!!!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

God founded the faith. He did not need help from Mary or anyone else. And didn't Jesus tell Peter "on this rock I will build my church." That makes it look like Jesus founded the faith.Can you show where anything says Mary founded the faith?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I should have known you had catholic roots!!! BTW Mary was the founder of the faith. Hope that gives you a scoobie doo moment!!!

LOL Naw. If I didn't take the sacraments five years ago, I'd probably be having picket forks just like the rest of you guys. But for me, I never had a grudge against Christianity, Churches, and so forth. I never been indoctrinated.

Mary was the founder? (Ha? Ha?) I didn't know the Eucharist was Mary. Go figure.

 

[David T]

LOL Naw. If I didn't take the sacraments five years ago, I'd probably be having picket forks just like the rest of you guys. But for me, I never had a grudge against Christianity, Churches, and so forth. I never been indoctrinated.

Mary was the founder? (Ha? Ha?) I didn't know the Eucharist was Mary. Go figure.

I would get involved myself in church but I would just end up running out with my hair on fire. Kinda like Dylan. I am like an autistic kid in a mosh pit at a concert when I get around too many people for too long of a duration!! I start to miss my time at home with the seagulls and trees the beach and the ocean!!

 

[sayak83]

When do Protestant churches apologize for any of their sins or misdeeds in history?

When do Muslims ever apologize? When do Hindus or Buddhists?

When do communist nations ever apologize for their crimes? When do other totalitarian nations? Did Japan ever apologize for its war crimes in ww2?

When do political parties ever apologize for any of their lies or despicable acts?

When do major media outlets ever apologize? I guess every once in a blue moon the NYTimes will print some small paragraph buried on page 16.

The Catholic Church has apologized many times over on many historical deeds. I guess the fact they have done so maybe ten times and the others none, makes them 10 times worse and the others innocent.

I am happy to apologize for whatever wrongs Hindu-s have committed or will commit in the future. I also promise to attempt my level best to correct them in any way I can. The Indian government has instituted reservations for underprivileged groups in the education system (including a 25% reservation for underprivileged children in all private schools) and jobs and people are trying hard to institute a 33% reservation for women in the national house of representatives. Do not think that in a population with 80% devout Hindu-s such measures can survive without a lot of Hindus believing that such things are the way forward in the realization of a Dharmic and ethical society in the country.

I like the current Pope very much. I would like the Catholic bodies to become more democratic and institute a parallel body of women leaders who have real powers. But the humbler and more humanitarian focus of the current Pope is a step in the right direction.
Fundamentalist right wing nationalist protestant hypocrites are not liking it means that the Catholic church is doing a good job. Keep it up.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I would get involved myself in church but I would just end up running out with my hair on fire. Kinda like Dylan. I am like an autistic kid in a mosh pit at a concert when I get around too many people for too long of a duration!! I start to miss my time at home with the seagulls and trees the beach and the ocean!!

Now seagulls, trees, beach, and ocean! I can stay there all day long. You wouldn't want to go to the Easter's Vigil, then. Actually, that's coming up pretty soon where everyone is joining or rejoining the Church. It's a almost three hour Mass. What's beautiful too is that everyone around the world is doing the same thing in all Catholic Churches.

 

[David T]

God founded the faith. He did not need help from Mary or anyone else. And didn't Jesus tell Peter "on this rock I will build my church." That makes it look like Jesus founded the faith.Can you show where anything says Mary founded the faith?

Well i wrote that for carlita as a dialog not as a debate point with you. So ok you are right!!! feel better that I have allowed your reality to not be challenged? Carlita is a little old lady apparently little old ladies are tough and don't get all shook up!!! And I am a really old man, so leave the addled brain geriatric alone already I can't handle the stress of it!! OMG I have been whipped to the debate mat by a scientific reductionist pixie dustist!! Powerful you are pixiedustist!!!!

 

[David T]

Now seagulls, trees, beach, and ocean! I can stay there all day long. You wouldn't want to go to the Easter's Vigil, then. Actually, that's coming up pretty soon where everyone is joining or rejoining the Church. It's a almost three hour Mass. What's beautiful too is that everyone around the world is doing the same thing in all Catholic Churches.

Now seagulls, trees, beach, and ocean! I can stay there all day long. You wouldn't want to go to the Easter's Vigil, then. Actually, that's coming up pretty soon where everyone is joining or rejoining the Church. It's a almost three hour Mass. What's beautiful too is that everyone around the world is doing the same thing in all Catholic Churches.

I always attend Easter at the Easter sonrise with the conifer congregation and occasional eagle attendees on Mt neahakanie here!!! BTW someone wanted to dung Beatle challenge me on my Mary statement. I am too old to debate this stuff. I sort of pixie dusted them. You might find it funny!!!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Hey, I'm happy not to be derided as some sort of demon-spawn by a Pope, so it's all good.
But I honestly find being characterized based on my non-religion...even in a relatively good way...pretty stupid.
Atheists are better than bad Christians? Surely it depends on whether the particular atheist is a serial killer or a tireless worker for the poor, right? Not like all atheists score a 7/10 on the 'decent human being' scale.

 

[psychoslice]

That is like saying atheist are bad, what does this idiot think he is, God ?. lol

 

[Dawnofhope]

Adrian I am more familiar here on this topic. There is an extremist aspect in christianity like we are right you are wrong. He recognizes people not ideas about people. Not unlike you and I and others. He is trying to move the church past it's long long history of acedemic philosophy and debates which interestingly this little spot is very reflective of. Atheists do have some things right for sure, but they are a bit hamstrung by the church itself as well. They believe they are separate but that comes into direct ideas of interconnectedness "family of god" as st FrAncis stated in 1200 ad as much as science itself says all life is really one family identical stated sighty differently and ultimately used in all kinds of wierd ways to shore up personal philosophies. This is a rather interesting shift and important. You won't see him being an atheist he is obviously way too numinous for that. Btw the first pope in history to undergrad in science!! B.S. in chemistry.

Hi David, I see the Catholic Church moving in a positive and progressive direction. Although I have never been a Catholic, we share a belief in the same God, Jesus, and Bible. I have had very positive experiences with some Catholics throughout my life. It is for Catholics to answer the question about reconciliation.

In regards to the question about atheists and bad Christians I was considering the writings from the Baha'i Faith.

"Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth, give birth to spirituality, and bring life and light to each heart. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division, it were better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act. For it is clear that the purpose of a remedy is to cure; but if the remedy should only aggravate the complaint it had better be left alone. Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion. All the holy prophets were as doctors to the soul; they gave prescriptions for the healing of mankind; thus any remedy that causes disease does not come from the great and supreme Physician." Abdu'l-Baha

 

[psychoslice]

The pope to me does't speak for anyone except his own religion, how dare he think he is in the same league as God, and yet this is what many have been lead to believe, well, at least it a god laugh, and as John Lennon said once, the pope smokes dope.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Pope: It's better to be an atheist than a bad Christian - CNN.com

What do you think? Is it better to be an atheist than a bad Christian?

And do you think the Church should apologize as the Pope suggest?

When he said it was about past treatment. And there isn't also this idology of a bad christian vs gays sometimes its the other way. What he's not saying is why its happening, apologies are without meaning unleashed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Pope: It's better to be an atheist than a bad Christian - CNN.com

What do you think? Is it better to be an atheist than a bad Christian?

And do you think the Church should apologize as the Pope suggest?

Apparently, not even the Pope thinks the Pope should apologize as he suggests:

Pope Francis Voices Support For 80,000-Strong Anti-Gay Protest Against Same-Sex Marriage in Mexico - Towleroad

 

[metis]

Now seagulls, trees, beach, and ocean! I can stay there all day long. You wouldn't want to go to the Easter's Vigil, then. Actually, that's coming up pretty soon where everyone is joining or rejoining the Church. It's a almost three hour Mass. What's beautiful too is that everyone around the world is doing the same thing in all Catholic Churches.

Even though it's long, I find it very touching, and just a reminder that I'm neither Catholic nor Christian.

 

[metis]

God founded the faith. He did not need help from Mary or anyone else. And didn't Jesus tell Peter "on this rock I will build my church." That makes it look like Jesus founded the faith.Can you show where anything says Mary founded the faith?

There's no such teaching on Mary in this capacity found in RCC dogma.

Are you familiar with "apostolic succession" and what it is based on as found in your Bible?

 

[metis]

Maybe the Pope should apologize for all the false teachings of the church. Most of it comes straight from Pagan beliefs.

Undoubtedly, this could also be said of your church. It's really a matter of interpretation, and that tends to be highly subjective.

 

[Darkstorn]

Makes sense. Bad Christians hurt others around them while imagining themselves as righteous.

What i mean is, bad people are bad people. No matter their religion, and they shouldn't have the "right" to behave such because of their faith.

/E: Even more simplified: You are your actions.