Popes visit to the UK

[Alceste]

What exactly is true?

That Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth and was once in a position of direct responsibility for the processing of pedophilia complaints.

 

[Quiddity]

That Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth and was once in a position of direct responsibility for the processing of pedophilia complaints

Hitler youth in the context of him being responsible for something? Is that what you dug up as true?

I spoke plenty on the other issue already.

 

[England my lionheart]

If the Pope asked violators to come forward and many did, that would be impressive and consistent with the way many know Catholicism.

If the Pope had any moral courage would have had all the perpetrators rounded up and prosecuted with a massive Public trial to show the Catholic Church does not tollerate Paedophillia but as we see thats not the case, which means he's either lying to cover up the extent of this disgusting crime or he isn't the big cahuna we think he is and his hands are tied.

 

[Alceste]

Hitler youth in the context of him being responsible for something? Is that what you dug up as true?

I spoke plenty on the other issue already.

No, Hitler Youth in the sense of that claim being factually correct, however you choose to spin it.

 

[Quiddity]

No, Hitler Youth in the sense of that claim being factually correct, however you choose to spin it.

No I'm not. Pay attention Al......your grasping for straws. See post #51.

 

[Noaidi]

To those in the UK:
'The Trouble With The Pope' Channel 4, 8pm. Monday 13th Sept.

 

[autonomous1one1]

If the Pope had any moral courage would have had all the perpetrators rounded up and prosecuted with a massive Public trial to show the Catholic Church does not tollerate Paedophillia but as we see thats not the case, which means he's either lying to cover up the extent of this disgusting crime or he isn't the big cahuna we think he is and his hands are tied.

My dear Lionheart, assume that the Pope is honest and is the big kahuna - do you not see other perspectives than lying?

 

[Alceste]

No I'm not. Pay attention Al......your grasping for straws. See post #51.

You're not what? That doesn't follow. It is a fact. Debating the degree to which the represents a lack of an exceptional moral compass is not interesting. Like I said at the outset, I am familiar with the rationalizations. My standards for a moral authority are higher, though. As far as ex-Nazis are concerned, I would defer to Schindler's moral judgment, for example, before Ratzinger's.

 

[Quiddity]

You're not what? That doesn't follow. It is a fact. Debating the degree to which the represents a lack of an exceptional moral compass is not interesting. Like I said at the outset, I am familiar with the rationalizations. My standards for a moral authority are higher, though. As far as ex-Nazis are concerned, I would defer to Schindler's moral judgment, for example, before Ratzinger's.

I'm not spinning anything. I refered you to Misty's post on why I took it the way I did. Which is why I said "pay attention Al..."

 

[Alceste]

I'm not spinning anything. I refered you to Misty's post on why I took it the way I did. Which is why I said "pay attention Al..."

Yeah, well if you want me to look at something, link to it please. I'm on an ipod touch and can't be bothered to search. That said, I recall your rationalization that since he "had no choice" and skipped some meetings, it's admirable. I disagree. The resistance was admirable, the underground railroad was admirable, hiding Jews in your home was admirable, skipping Nazi meetings is ... meh. Might make you feel better but doesn't do anybody else a lick of good.

 

[Quiddity]

Yeah, well if you want me to look at something, link to it please. I'm on an ipod touch and can't be bothered to search. That said, I recall your rationalization that since he "had no choice" and skipped some meetings, it's admirable. I disagree. The resistance was admirable, the underground railroad was admirable, hiding Jews in your home was admirable, skipping Nazi meetings is ... meh. Might make you feel better but doesn't do anybody else a lick of good.

I suppose they imagine themselves doing better, I don't know. It's just not good enough. He could have been a matry to impress you perhaps...

 

[Alceste]

I suppose they imagine themselves doing better, I don't know. It's just not good enough. He could have been a matry to impress you perhaps...

A martyr?? lol. He could have actively opposed the Nazis without regard to his own mortality, as did thousands of other, better Germans in the same time and place. Many died ("martyrs" if you wish) and many survived. I respect both the living heroes and the dead. There's no room for folks who just didn't show up at a few Nazi meetings in my admiration for the thousands of European heroes of WWII.

 

[England my lionheart]

A martyr?? lol. He could have actively opposed the Nazis without regard to his own mortality, as did thousands of other, better Germans in the same time and place. Many died ("martyrs" if you wish) and many survived. I respect both the living heroes and the dead. There's no room for folks who just didn't show up at a few Nazi meetings in my admiration for the thousands of European heroes of WWII.

I'm out of Frubals so i o u,iagree ,Martyr LOLOL

 

[LuisDantas]

My dear Lionheart, assume that the Pope is honest and is the big kahuna - do you not see other perspectives than lying?

The only other alternative would be assuming that he is not mentally healthy.

 

[autonomous1one1]

The only other alternative would be assuming that he is not mentally healthy.

haha. My post deserved that response; at least you found an alternative. However, although it appears that the Pope has lost some ground with trust from Catholics, many still trust him completely and because of his position and responsibility, the Pope will not lie. (as a joke, It may depend on what the meaning of 'is' is, however. hoho, just joking). There have to be other options. Keep thinking.

 

[kai]

German Children were drafted into the Hitler Youth at 14, It was compulsory after 1936 so i don't think i would hold that against him.

 

[LuisDantas]

haha. My post deserved that response;

Maybe so. I meant it 100% straight, however. No sarcasm involved.

at least you found an alternative. However, although it appears that the Pope has lost some ground with trust from Catholics, many still trust him completely and because of his position and responsibility, the Pope will not lie.

It seems obvious to me that he lies to himself. Or else, he is even more deserving of criticism than I assume him to be.

(as a joke, It may depend on what the meaning of 'is' is, however. hoho, just joking). There have to be other options. Keep thinking.

I sincerely doubt there are any. Well, without resorting to sci-fi scenarios, anyway.

 

[LuisDantas]

German Children were drafted into the Hitler Youth at 14, It was compulsory after 1936 so i don't think i would hold that against him.

Agreed. Nazi Germany is a fascinating study subject exactly because it challenges usual assumptions about how to tell corrupt people from those morally sane.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The Nazis were a lesson in morality.
it's growth depended on the lack of moral strength of the opposition.
even the UK government and the USA appeased them.

 

[Misty]

The Nazis were a lesson in morality.
it's growth depended on the lack of moral strength of the opposition.
even the UK government and the USA appeased them.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?