Pork versus Goat !

[Segev Moran]

What we eat is just dinner and can't see any reason why anyone can object to what others eat as long as we are not eating each other .

At the end you can choose to eat whatever you see fit.
But i have a reason to object you selling or eating things that are bad for you. The thing is i can object as much as i want, you have the right to eventually do as you please.

So do you think all religions who I personally always associate common ground that we are all people , should forget about any sort of food fights ?

No.
Food is an important thing and have major social impacts.
Many of the food restrictions (in the Jewish religion) are health related and moral related.
The "Kosher" of food is a process that "forces" the practice of as little suffer to the animal as possible.
The Jewish religion (btw) in its purest form, is against (and does not permit) eating other animals that were created in the genesis process (including land, air and sea animals).
Bon appetite

 

[Milton Platt]

I eat pork , I don't or have never eaten goat. Now some people say pork is bad where I feel goat is bad .
What we eat is just dinner and can't see any reason why anyone can object to what others eat as long as we are not eating each other . Now I know this may seem strange to some people but in true reflection of the subject , I am objectively correct and it is rather silly to have any sorts of hate over what others eat . Some people eat insects etc , we eat what we have in resources and do try to survive the best way we can .
So do you think all religions who I personally always associate common ground that we are all people , should forget about any sort of food fights ?
Now I don't like to see hate over stupid silly little things such as what we eat , do any of you disagree with my wisdom that I have stated in this post ?

The animal rights stuff aside.........I like the flavor of goat, but seldom eat it. The fat in the meat tends to leave this sort of coating on the roof of your mouth that I find objectionable. Someone is probably going to tell me how do avoid that now that I've posted this, and that's good, too. I would like to know.
On the whole, I have been reducing my consumption of all meats. don't know if I will ever make it to vegetarian or vegan status, but I see the benefits.

 

[Cloverfield]

On the whole, I have been reducing my consumption of all meats. don't know if I will ever make it to vegetarian or vegan status, but I see the benefits.

Perceived as a safer alternative by some .

 

[Cloverfield]

Many of the food restrictions (in the Jewish religion) are health related and moral related.

Could you please tell us more about this specific organisation ?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This always seems to come up on these debates. So here's my view:
There are a number of reasons why we don't judge the dietary behavior of non-human animals. First among them is that they arguably do not have the logical means of processing the decision to eat or not eat certain types of food based on broad ethical evaluation. A dog, which is an omnivore, does not look between the rabbit and beans and think 'I could get all the nutrients I need from the latter without utilizing the former.' Humans can. Some animals, like cats and snakes and weasels, are obligate carnivores and depend on meat to stay healthy. Humans do not.

Humans do not need meat to be healthy, if anything we only tolerate mostly processed (re: cooked) meats. We do it purely for enjoyment. Which means that, by it's very nature, human carnivory is causing unnecessary suffering. Especially considering the advanced capacity for animals to feel pain compared to plants, and fungi.

And I'm speaking as someone who is not a vegetarian. But I understand and accept that my carnivory doesn't just cause suffering but unnecessary suffering.

I'm not going to shame myself for being a member of a predatory animal species. I don't see killing for food as a moral question. Humans are highly adaptable and can thrive on a wide variety of diets. That's why we're so successful as a species, our adaptability.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I'm not going to shame myself for being a member of a predatory animal species. I don't see killing for food as a moral question. Humans are highly adaptable and can thrive on a wide variety of diets. That's why we're so successful as a species, our adaptability.

I agree to disagree. Whenever suffering is involved, especially unnecessary suffering, it becomes a moral question. But I'm a consequentialist, not a 'naturist.' Just because I can do any number of things with my naturally evolved brain, and my naturally evolved dexterity, and just because others in my ancestry have done it in the past, does not mean I should.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I agree to disagree. Whenever suffering is involved, especially unnecessary suffering, it becomes a moral question. But I'm a consequentialist, not a 'naturist.' Just because I can do any number of things with my naturally evolved brain, and my naturally evolved dexterity, and just because others in my ancestry have done it in the past, does not mean I should.

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think humans are greater than (our) nature. If I get eaten by a bear, I'm not going to be angry at the bear and wouldn't want the bear to be killed for it, for example.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think humans are greater than (our) nature. If I get eaten by a bear, I'm not going to be angry at the bear and wouldn't want the bear to be killed for it, for example.

I agree with that part. But not for that reason. The bear has no capacity to reason why it should or should not eat me. It can't make distinctions between 'necessary harm' and 'unnecessary harm' in the way I can.

Lying, cheating or stealing might be in our nature, but we most certainly can rise above it. And those cases which they would be permissible, to me, are when NOT lying, cheating or stealing would cause more unnecessary harm. Or if whomever is lying, cheating or stealing was being done by someone who couldn't know they were causing unnecessary harm.

"Something is natural; therefore, it is morally acceptable" or "This property is unnatural; therefore, this property is undesirable" is literally the format of the naturalist fallacy. For me there needs to be something more about the 'ought' then just the 'is.'

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I eat pork , I don't or have never eaten goat. Now some people say pork is bad where I feel goat is bad .
What we eat is just dinner and can't see any reason why anyone can object to what others eat as long as we are not eating each other . Now I know this may seem strange to some people but in true reflection of the subject , I am objectively correct and it is rather silly to have any sorts of hate over what others eat . Some people eat insects etc , we eat what we have in resources and do try to survive the best way we can .
So do you think all religions who I personally always associate common ground that we are all people , should forget about any sort of food fights ?
Now I don't like to see hate over stupid silly little things such as what we eat , do any of you disagree with my wisdom that I have stated in this post ?

Jews do not eat pork or shell fish for example, but not because they are unhealthy. It's because simply that it is commanded by God, and sets us apart from other peoples.

And so we think it is perfectly fine (not sinful) for non-Jews to eat and enjoy their pork. Go ahead and have your bacon, Cloverfield.

 

[Cloverfield]

Jews do not eat pork or shell fish for example, but not because they are unhealthy. It's because simply that it is commanded by God, and sets us apart from other peoples.

And so we think it is perfectly fine (not sinful) for non-Jews to eat and enjoy their pork. Go ahead and have your bacon, Cloverfield.

I have never eaten shell fish , I can't say I like the look of shell fish although it suppose to be good for your diet. The only real pork product I do eat these days is sausages and often ones that have added seasoning such as Cumberland sausages . To me pork chops etc have a funny sickly smell and that puts me off , unlike a lamb chop which are tasty and smell nice . I can not see the point in huge steaks etc , I think that is just greed by people , a small portion of meat with vegetables etc is all that is needed .

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have never eaten shell fish , I can't say I like the look of shell fish although it suppose to be good for your diet. The only real pork product I do eat these days is sausages and often ones that have added seasoning such as Cumberland sausages . To me pork chops etc have a funny sickly smell and that puts me off , unlike a lamb chop which are tasty and smell nice . I can not see the point in huge steaks etc , I think that is just greed by people , a small portion of meat with vegetables etc is all that is needed .

Shellfish can have their own problems. For example during warmer weather algae blooms can result in "red tide" and poisonous shellfish. Which is possibly the origin of the trope "Oysters 'R' in season". Oysters are in season in months with an r in them. September through April. And a fairly high percentage of people are allergic to shellfish.

I do agree that large amounts of meat are not necessary or even desirable. I do enjoy almost all meats so I do not share your attitude towards pork, and my housemate feels the opposite of you on the lamb/pork topic. She can't stand lamb chops but loves pork chops.

 

[Cloverfield]

Shellfish can have their own problems. For example during warmer weather algae blooms can result in "red tide" and poisonous shellfish. Which is possibly the origin of the trope "Oysters 'R' in season". Oysters are in season in months with an r in them. September through April. And a fairly high percentage of people are allergic to shellfish.

I do agree that large amounts of meat are not necessary or even desirable. I do enjoy almost all meats so I do not share your attitude towards pork, and my housemate feels the opposite of you on the lamb/pork topic. She can't stand lamb chops but loves pork chops.

I have not really got an attitude towards Pork , it is just my personal preference and my likes and dislikes . I would never allow anybody to tell me what I can or can't eat as we are all equals and I would never suggest to anyone what they should or shouldn't eat . I will say again though that I find meat that is not cooked well done , totally disgusting , and I believe it doesn't kill any potential harmful bacteria that may be present .
I would of thought algae blooms created a green tide , little do I know on algae.

 

[stvdv]

According to me scientific facts, goat is good, pork is better, lamb is best.

According to the (3) animals and spiritual facts, it's best not to eat animals, and humans should be vegan or at least vegetarian.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have not really got an attitude towards Pork , it is just my personal preference and my likes and dislikes . I would never allow anybody to tell me what I can or can't eat as we are all equals and I would never suggest to anyone what they should or shouldn't eat . I will say again though that I find meat that is not cooked well done , totally disgusting , and I believe it doesn't kill any potential harmful bacteria that may be present .
I would of thought algae blooms created a green tide , little do I know on algae.

Yes, perhaps I could have used a different word. And a person likes what that person likes. In fact it is sometimes genetic. I once had an employee who told me how to her carrots tasted like soap. She always thought that she was a bit crazy for that since no one else felt that way. She explained how happy she was when she met another that made the same claim. It meant that she was not crazy. And years later I found that she was right. Some people have a heightened taste sense and can taste the terpenoids in carrots that the rest of us cannot taste. The terpenoids give them a soapy taste.

 

[Segev Moran]

Could you please tell us more about this specific organisation ?

About the Jewish religion? or the restrictions on food? (Kosher)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I agree with that part. But not for that reason. The bear has no capacity to reason why it should or should not eat me. It can't make distinctions between 'necessary harm' and 'unnecessary harm' in the way I can.

Lying, cheating or stealing might be in our nature, but we most certainly can rise above it. And those cases which they would be permissible, to me, are when NOT lying, cheating or stealing would cause more unnecessary harm. Or if whomever is lying, cheating or stealing was being done by someone who couldn't know they were causing unnecessary harm.

"Something is natural; therefore, it is morally acceptable" or "This property is unnatural; therefore, this property is undesirable" is literally the format of the naturalist fallacy. For me there needs to be something more about the 'ought' then just the 'is.'

I just don't see the point of being moralistic over things that can't be changed. You're never going to have a vegan world. I also just genuinely do not view it as a moral issue.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I just don't see the point of being moralistic over things that can't be changed. You're never going to have a vegan world. I also just genuinely do not view it as a moral issue.

I agree, we won't have a vegan world (nor do I want one.) But I don't believe it's an all-or-nothing scenario. Just like we will never have a world without hunger, but we should still work towards feeding the needy all the same. Though there's definitely some cheerful fellows in society who don't view that as a moral issue either.

 

[Segev Moran]

I just don't see the point of being moralistic over things that can't be changed. You're never going to have a vegan world. I also just genuinely do not view it as a moral issue.

Actually, the statistics and trends suggest otherwise.

We are terminating species in a blink of an eye.
Fish are disappearing,
Animals become ill and unhealthy more and more every day,
Everything is pumped up with hormones and Antibiotics.
The pollution we generate to support carnivorous diet is destroying our lands and water.
Our bodies become less healthy and we stuff drugs to try and cure it.
There is a reason why scientist work to find a replacement for meat. in fact, scientific breakthroughs allow us to generate synthetic meat to replace real meat.

It is predicted by people much smarter than me or you that in a few dozen years, meat will cost hundreds of dollars.

The signs show that the world will become vegan whether we like it or not.

FUTURE MEAT
Environmental impact of meat production - Wikipedia

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Actually, the statistics and trends suggest otherwise.

We are terminating species in a blink of an eye.
Fish are disappearing,
Animals become ill and unhealthy more and more every day,
Everything is pumped up with hormones and Antibiotics.
The pollution we generate to support carnivorous diet is destroying our lands and water.
Our bodies become less healthy and we stuff drugs to try and cure it.
There is a reason why scientist work to find a replacement for meat. in fact, scientific breakthroughs allow us to generate synthetic meat to replace real meat.

It is predicted by people much smarter than me or you that in a few dozen years, meat will cost hundreds of dollars.

The signs show that the world will become vegan whether we like it or not.

FUTURE MEAT
Environmental impact of meat production - Wikipedia

Those problems are caused by urbanization, overpopulation and a generally unhealthy diet, not meat eating itself.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Those problems are caused by urbanization, overpopulation and a generally unhealthy diet, not meat eating itself.

How we raise animals for food is also problematic, both morally and environmentally.

For instance, clearcutting swaths of rainforests to support cattle. Or stuffing chickens into small cages.