Pork versus Goat !

[Cloverfield]

I agree that having religious restrictions on what people eat is just plain silly. It's the same with religions that try and control sexual interactions between consenting adults. As far as I'm concerned it's just another example of how religious laws don't come from any god, but are rules made up by human beings attempting to exert control over fellow human beings.

It is a very strange world where others think they can and do dictate to others on what their preferences have to be . This of course based on control and their own preference standards which of course can only be subjective when applying their own ideology to others . I find people telling people what they can eat or not eat , what sort of relationships they must have etc , quite annoying , subjective and fearful in some ways .
I've never understood the logic in why clothes are an issue to some religions, clothes are to keep warm in winter objectively or to stop sunburn in the summer . Humans are born naked , no doubt in the past when humans first evolved , we were all running around naked .
Additionally I think if I asked somebody who was religious about clothes , they would not even be able to provide a satisfactory answer of why clothes are an issue , man based jealousy I think , sin really .

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's not a reductive argument to note that something is debatable based on contradictory scientific evidence.

And if it is complex, why assume it is settled fact that we don't need meat to be healthy? One thing is certain, with complex systems we generally know a lot less than we think we do. We have a terrible track record with dietary advice for this reason.

Seeing as we evolved to eat meat, I wouldn't consider it self-evident that it is perfectly healthy to avoid it given the complexities of the human body.

Everything is debated and nothing is settled fact. But the evidence is heavily on the side that meat causes more health concerns than benefits. (Seriously, go to google scholar in search 'meat eating risks') That there is so much more conclusions of 'risks of meat eating' than 'risks of not eating meat' makes taking those papers at face value reductive. As well as focusing on very specific small parts of the equation.

This is something that I discuss with paleo dieters all the time. They refuse to eat legumes because they didn't exist as a staple during our paleolithic period. As if what our ancestors did is indicator of what's healthy, which was no truer back then than it is today. It's also not how evolution works. We did not 'evolve to eat meat' any more than we 'evolved to eat cake.' Both are products our body can utilize.

 

[Cloverfield]

I don'y eat pork. It's a Jewish thing ...

Goat, slow-cooked with onions, mushrooms, celery and root vegetables (carrots, parsnips, rutabaga, etc.), along with a nice Cotes du Rhone GSM, makes a great winter meal.

That sounds a nice menu but you are incorrect , pork is a people thing , not a Jewish thing and religion should not play a part in what we eat to survive . Would you rather people eat pork or people be outside of Eden eating people ?

....................God knows the truth of Eden and the outsiders destroyed it . .....................

 

[Augustus]

But the evidence is heavily on the side that met causes more health concerns than benefits.

Do you think we have a good track record on dietary advice?

Seriously, go to google scholar in search 'meat seating risks'

True, don't sit the chops next to the steaks or there will be trouble

We did not 'evolve to eat meat' any more than we 'evolved to eat cake.' Both are products our body can utilize.

We evolved as meat eating animals and numerous bodily features relate to this. To consider this is no different from 'cake eating' is like saying breast milk is no different from formula milk. Both are products babies bodies can utilise after all.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That sounds a nice menu but you are incorrect , pork is a people thing and religion should not play a part in what we eat to survive .

That was both thoughtless and ignorant. Neither I nor Judaism tell people what to eat to survive.

 

[Augustus]

Would you rather people eat pork or people be outside of Eden eating people ?

It is a bit of a conundrum.

I ran out of chops the other day and was forced to slaughter my neighbours for my dinner.

 

[David J]

I eat pork , I don't or have never eaten goat. Now some people say pork is bad where I feel goat is bad .
What we eat is just dinner and can't see any reason why anyone can object to what others eat as long as we are not eating each other . Now I know this may seem strange to some people but in true reflection of the subject , I am objectively correct and it is rather silly to have any sorts of hate over what others eat . Some people eat insects etc , we eat what we have in resources and do try to survive the best way we can .
So do you think all religions who I personally always associate common ground that we are all people , should forget about any sort of food fights ?
Now I don't like to see hate over stupid silly little things such as what we eat , do any of you disagree with my wisdom that I have stated in this post ?

The Christian apostle Paul agrees with your sentiment.

Romans 14:

15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Do you think we have a good track record on dietary advice?



True, don't sit the chops next to the steaks or there will be trouble



We evolved as meat eating animals and numerous bodily features relate to this. To consider this is no different from 'cake eating' is like saying breast milk is no different from formula milk. Both are products babies bodies can utilise after all.

There actually is quite a lot of evidence that breastmilk being more nutritionally beneficial to infants than formula is more myth than fact, too.

Again, what is 'natural' (an ambiguous claim from the getgo), does not equal what is healthy.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

We evolved as meat eating animals and numerous bodily features relate to this.

Is this where we break out the myths like canines indicate meat eating (the largest canine to head ratio on a primate is a vegetarian) or that front facing eyes indicate (this is a primate trait, not a meat eating one) or gut flora indicates meat eating (quite the opposite. Our intestines are longer and contain less necessary enzymes for meat processing than any other 'omnivore'. That's why we started cooking meat.) Or that our big brains need meat eating? (Our brains seek fat, not meat. We would have been better off with avocados like every Californian hipster. Fat, Not Meat, May Have Led to Bigger Hominin Brains)

 

[Cloverfield]

That was both thoughtless and ignorant. Neither I nor Judaism tell people what to eat to survive.

Perhaps you read wrongly as I was simply pointing out your direction of pork to being Jewish related where its a peoples thing . I do not feel we should stereotype meat to any specific culture !

 

[Kenny]

I don'y eat pork. It's a Jewish thing ...

Goat, slow-cooked with onions, mushrooms, celery and root vegetables (carrots, parsnips, rutabaga, etc.), along with a nice Cotes du Rhone GSM, makes a great winter meal.

When is the party? Is it by RSVP?

 

[SomeRandom]

I eat pork , I don't or have never eaten goat. Now some people say pork is bad where I feel goat is bad .
What we eat is just dinner and can't see any reason why anyone can object to what others eat as long as we are not eating each other . Now I know this may seem strange to some people but in true reflection of the subject , I am objectively correct and it is rather silly to have any sorts of hate over what others eat . Some people eat insects etc , we eat what we have in resources and do try to survive the best way we can .
So do you think all religions who I personally always associate common ground that we are all people , should forget about any sort of food fights ?
Now I don't like to see hate over stupid silly little things such as what we eat , do any of you disagree with my wisdom that I have stated in this post ?

Why is goat bad? At least with pork one could say, well some religions forbid it. What religion bans goat meat?
And how can you know it tastes bad if you’ve never eaten it? It’s not even that exotic. I’ve had all sorts of “interesting dishes” but I will never say something is “bad” unless I try it first. Otherwise I’d just be a judgemental jerk.
Now me I eat both. But pork brawn is awful and you can’t change my mind.

 

[David J]

Is this where we break out the myths like canines indicate meat eating (the largest canine to head ratio on a primate is a vegetarian) or that front facing eyes indicate (this is a primate trait, not a meat eating one) or gut flora indicates meat eating (quite the opposite. Our intestines are longer and contain less necessary enzymes for meat processing than any other 'omnivore'. That's why we started cooking meat.) Or that our big brains need meat eating? (Our brains seek fat, not meat. We would have been better off with avocados like every Californian hipster. Fat, Not Meat, May Have Led to Bigger Hominin Brains)

In my fitness freak days, I've read countless testimonials on people thriving on contradictory diets - high carb, low carb, no carb, vegan, vegitarian, etc.

I think it's more of a personal issue with your own genes than a whole human species solution.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Is anyone else disappointed that this thread wasn't about a race between a pig and a goat?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I eat pork , I don't or have never eaten goat. Now some people say pork is bad where I feel goat is bad .
What we eat is just dinner and can't see any reason why anyone can object to what others eat as long as we are not eating each other . Now I know this may seem strange to some people but in true reflection of the subject , I am objectively correct and it is rather silly to have any sorts of hate over what others eat . Some people eat insects etc , we eat what we have in resources and do try to survive the best way we can .
So do you think all religions who I personally always associate common ground that we are all people , should forget about any sort of food fights ?
Now I don't like to see hate over stupid silly little things such as what we eat , do any of you disagree with my wisdom that I have stated in this post ?

Neither pork or goat is bad. But, pound for pound, you will get much much more meat from a hog then you ever will from a goat.

First hog I ever raised weighed in at 614 pounds. The total number of pounds once butchered, the actual meat got back, was 472.

I butchered two goats for a neighbor one time, because they didn't trust the slaughter house. I couldn't believe the amount of meat gotten from them. And they were large goats. It was almost nothing in comparison.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Cloverfield]

How did he know I was thinking about Eden and Adiam

Why is goat bad? At least with pork one could say, well some religions forbid it. What religion bans goat meat?
And how can you know it tastes bad if you’ve never eaten it? It’s not even that exotic. I’ve had all sorts of “interesting dishes” but I will never say something is “bad” unless I try it first. Otherwise I’d just be a judgemental jerk.
Now me I eat both. But pork brawn is awful and you can’t change my mind.

Why is goat bad? At least with pork one could say, well some religions forbid it. What religion bans goat meat?
And how can you know it tastes bad if you’ve never eaten it? It’s not even that exotic. I’ve had all sorts of “interesting dishes” but I will never say something is “bad” unless I try it first. Otherwise I’d just be a judgemental jerk.
Now me I eat both. But pork brawn is awful and you can’t change my mind.

Why is Goat bad ? Because I am not accustomed to eating Goat . Not bad as in a sense that others eating Goat is bad . I could not care less what people do or do not eat as long as we do not eat each other . If the crunch ever comes to shove , we must all volunteer mass suicide before we would eat each other.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Is anyone else disappointed that this thread wasn't about a race between a pig and a goat?

So many factors. Like are we talking domesticated swine or wild pig varieties? Is it an obstacle course or straightaway? Multiple breeds and subspecies? Are we omitting mountain goats because they're not technically goats?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

When is the party? Is it by RSVP?

Generally, but you're always welcome.

 

[SalixIncendium]

So many factors. Like are we talking domesticated swine or wild pig varieties? Is it an obstacle course or straightaway? Multiple breeds and subspecies? Are we omitting mountain goats because they're not technically goats?

I was thinking we could do both. Like a Charlotte's Web vs Billy Goats Gruff scenario. And then we can move on to maybe a wild boar vs wild goat.

And yes, caprinae should be omitted because of their antelopish heritage.

 

[David J]

Cloverfield,

Would you judge this?