Pornography poll

[freethinker44]

Excuse me? Since when was coercion not rape?

If there is consent, there is no rape. Refusing pay for work that wasn't done isn't even coercion. That's just good business. No body forced them to do it, they wanted the money, and in order to get it, they had to finish the job. This is no different than the exploitation debate that went on earlier. All work is inherently coercive and exploitative, just like any job if you want to get paid you have to do the work. If they don't want to be coerced or exploited in porn, they shouldn't do porn. Same goes for any other job. If you don't want to be coerced or exploited, don't work. Anyone who works does some things they don't want to do and are exploited for it.

 

[Alceste]

If there is consent, there is no rape. Refusing pay for work that wasn't done isn't even coercion. That's just good business. No body forced them to do it, they wanted the money, and in order to get it, they had to finish the job. This is no different than the exploitation debate that went on earlier. All work is inherently coercive and exploitative, just like any job if you want to get paid you have to do the work. If they don't want to be coerced or exploited in porn, they shouldn't do porn. Same goes for any other job. If you don't want to be coerced or exploited, don't work. Anyone who works does some things they don't want to do and are exploited for it.

This is a scenario where they have been doing the work, but stop at some point. They need to be paid up to that point in every other job. Why not porn?

I do a bit of gardening. Sometimes there isn't time to finish everything we wanted to do. Guess what? I still get paid for the hours I've worked.

 

[freethinker44]

This is a scenario where they have been doing the work, but stop at some point. They need to be paid up to that point in every other job. Why not porn?

I do a bit of gardening. Sometimes there isn't time to finish everything we wanted to do. Guess what? I still get paid for the hours I've worked.

Sure, that's all well and good if they got paid hourly. But they don't.

 

[Alceste]

Sure, that's all well and good if they got paid hourly. But they don't.

Then they should.

 

[freethinker44]

Then they should.

Considering how long a scene might last and how much they get paid per scene, it's probably in their best interests if they get paid per job. It might benefit the male performers to be paid hourly though, since their pay is considerably less per job, so at the very least it should be something the performer is able to negotiate in their contract whether or not they want to get paid by the hour or job.

 

[Alceste]

Considering how long a scene might last and how much they get paid per scene, it's probably in their best interests if they get paid per job. It might benefit the male performers to be paid hourly though, since their pay is considerably less per job, so at the very least it should be something the performer is able to negotiate in their contract whether or not they want to get paid by the hour or job.

There is no reason for there to be different rights and obligations for actors based on their gender. We've already established women get paid more because there is a higher demand for them.

 

[freethinker44]

There is no reason for there to be different rights and obligations for actors based on their gender. We've already established women get paid more because there is a higher demand for them.

I'm not saying there should be different rights, I'm saying female performers could potentially lose pay if they switched to hourly but male performers could benefit.

And actually, there isn't a higher demand for women, 70% of porn performers are women so there is no shortage of women in porn.

 

[dust1n]

And actually, there isn't a higher demand for women, 70% of porn performers are women so there is no shortage of women in porn.

Wait... that doesn't make sense. Just because 70% of porn performers are women doesn't mean there isn't more demand for women in porn... If the industry is growing, there is demand for more workers in the industry.

 

[Alceste]

I'm not saying there should be different rights, I'm saying female performers could potentially lose pay if they switched to hourly but male performers could benefit.

And actually, there isn't a higher demand for women, 70% of porn performers are women so there is no shortage of women in porn.

It's a protection against economic coercion (which would be sexual assault). So if an actor or actress decides they've had enough and withdraws consent, they are paid up to that point and not beyond. There would still be the consequence of losing whatever additional money could be made by completing the scene, but no danger of not being paid at all, or of being sued for breach of contract. Same deal regardless of gender.

The rate of pay is negotiated between the individual performers and the producers. If men want to earn more, they should probably unionize.

 

[freethinker44]

Wait... that doesn't make sense. Just because 70% of porn performers are women doesn't mean there isn't more demand for women in porn... If the industry is growing, there is demand for more workers in the industry.

Right, if it was growing there would be a demand for, workers, both male and female performers. I'm simply saying that to say women should get more because there is a higher demand for women is fallacious, as women vastly outnumber men in porn, if anything, based on the numbers men would be in more demand.

 

[Alceste]

Right, if it was growing there would be a demand for, workers, both male and female performers. I'm simply saying that to say women should get more because there is a higher demand for women is fallacious, as women vastly outnumber men in porn, if anything, based on the numbers men would be in more demand.

You need to take a class in basic economics. The price of a good or service is determined by the interplay of supply and demand. Nobody out there is paying extra for a service for no good reason.

 

[freethinker44]

It's a protection against economic coercion (which would be sexual assault). So if an actor or actress decides they've had enough and withdraws consent, they are paid up to that point and not beyond. There would still be the consequence of losing whatever additional money could be made by completing the scene, but no danger of not being paid at all, or of being sued for breach of contract. Same deal regardless of gender.

All jobs use money to coerce employees. It's the nature of work. You need money, you find work, you get paid. Getting paid to do something means you were economically coerced into doing it. Again, if they don't want to be economically coerced into having sex, maybe pornography was a bad career choice.

The rate of pay is negotiated between the individual performers and the producers. If men want to earn more, they should probably unionize.

They should unionize. All employees should.

 

[freethinker44]

You need to take a class in basic economics. The price of a good or service is determined by the interplay of supply and demand. Nobody out there is paying extra for a service for no good reason.

Right, supply and demand, the supply of women is far greater than the supply of men. At the very least you can't say women are in greater demand than men, and even if you could, clearly they are not in such a great demand as to warrant being paid three to five times more than men.

 

[Me Myself]

I'm sorry but I find it really creepy that you don't like sex and your wife still tries to have sex with you. When my partner doesn't want to have sex I'm like "ok cool"

Some people like pleasuring their partners eventhough the action in itself maybe tiring or bothersome.

It happens on everything. It also happens on sex.

 

[Me Myself]

Right, supply and demand, the supply of women is far greater than the supply of men. At the very least you can't say women are in greater demand than men, and even if you could, clearly they are not in such a great demand as to warrant being paid three to five times more than men.

I assume men are more prone to liking or wanting to do porn than women and hence need less motivation?

In any case, in ts job, gender does matter. Supply and demand means not only "a lot" or "more" but "more than necessary" and "not enough" . Even if there are more women than men, they very well can be "not enough"

Then again I wouldnt know the real reason for the wage gap, those above are pure stippulation.

 

[dust1n]

Right, if it was growing there would be a demand for, workers, both male and female performers. I'm simply saying that to say women should get more because there is a higher demand for women is fallacious, as women vastly outnumber men in porn, if anything, based on the numbers men would be in more demand.

Again, that makes literally no sense. Women shouldn't get more because there is more demand. Women DO get more because there is more demand. Demand for work and lack of workers causes wages to rise. The reason there are more women in the sex industry then men is because there is unequal demand... More women are wanted in porn, or obviously there wouldn't be so many more women in porn then men. Obviously, only so few men are desired. (Unless you are gay, that is, but it's a while different market).

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I don't care about pornographers making money, if they don't like performers having full rights over their sexuality then they can find another job instead of pimping.
When other jobs coerce you into doing something you don't want to do, the big difference here is that you are not being raped! Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[freethinker44]

Some people like pleasuring their partners even though the action in itself maybe tiring or bothersome.

It happens on everything. It also happens on sex.

Exactly. I also go to movies and concerts I don't want to because my wife likes them. There's actually a word for this condition, I think it's called being married.

 

[freethinker44]

I don't care about pornographers making money, if they don't like performers having full rights over their sexuality then they can find another job instead of pimping.
When other jobs coerce you into doing something you don't want to do, the big difference here is that you are not being raped! Why is that so hard to comprehend?

It's not rape if there is consent. They don't have to accept the money, they can always work some low paying dead end job like the rest of us.

 

[Me Myself]

Exactly. I also go to movies and concerts I don't want to because my wife likes them. There's actually a word for this condition, I think it's called being married.

Not even, its called caring about your partner and being willing to compromise whether in a marriage or outside.