Pornography. What's wrong with it?

[Darkness]

How do parents teach their children about things
their children know nothing of?

Parents generally keep the details of their personal sex lives to themselves.
At least, they should.

I'm sure that parents support ALL KINDS of things their children don't understand/know about.
What they do not know/understand, does not in any way mold their idea/s of ethics.

You are thinking of little children. I am including tweens and teenagers in my definition of children.

 

[Sunstone]

You guys are making too big of a deal of this. In my experience, pornography can be dealt with even with one hand tied behind your back.

 

[Darkness]

You guys are making too big of a deal of this. In my experience, pornography can be dealt with even with one hand tied behind your back.

We are not making a big enough deal about this. This issue is as important as racism or homophobia.

 

[McBell]

We are not making a big enough deal about this. This issue is as important as racism or homophobia.

How is blaming porn for the actions of people helpful?

 

[rsd]

One day it will lead to having pornographic thoughts about the pure, innocent, angels and you will be very sad.

 

[blackout]

You are thinking of little children. I am including tweens and teenagers in my definition of children.

First off, parents should be having age appropriate conversations with their kids.

Second off, when your children are older, teenagers/young adults,
hopefully you actually DISCUSS these more adult topics with them,
and don't just dump your own opinions and preferences on them.
It IS possible to discuss both what's potentially good and bad about a thing
without DEMONIZING the entire thing.
It is also possible, and good, to discuss things from varried perspectives.

This pattern of thoughtfully discussing important topics,
and raising questions and issues together,
thinking them through together,
should be the parental pattern from childhood.
It's really just a matter of upping the age appropriate level,
as they get older. IMO.

 

[Sunstone]

One day it will lead to having pornographic thoughts about the pure, innocent, angels and you will be very sad.

What kind of panties do you think angels wear? Just curious.

 

[Sunstone]

First off, parents should be having age appropriate conversations with their kids.

Second off, when your children are older, teenagers/young adults,
hopefully you actually DISCUSS these more adult topics with them,
and don't just dump your own opinions and preferences on them.
It IS possible to discuss both what's potentially good and bad about a thing
without DEMONIZING the entire thing.
It is also possible, and good, to discuss things from varried perspectives.

This pattern of thoughtfully discussing important topics,
and raising questions and issues together,
thinking them through together,
should be the parental pattern from childhood.
It's really just a matter of upping the age appropriate level,
as they get older. IMO.

I've read of studies that show parents who refuse to talk about sex with their young children tend to discover their older children will refuse to talk about sex with them. Patterns of open communication about sex are established in childhood. And with few exceptions, you cannot expect your post pubic child to discuss sex with you if you were not already discussing sex with that child when he or she was younger. That's according to the studies I've read of. So that would seem to support your position, Vi.

 

[Darkness]

How is blaming porn for the actions of people helpful?

When did I ever blame porn for the actions of people?

 

[waitasec]

What if one of the actors or actresses is in it because they need the money, even though they don't like performing? One of the main problems I have with pornography, as an industry, is that it induces people to put aside their psychology/emotional reservations about it by offering them high profits. You have to realise that I am a ******* socialist-marxist at heart.

if you are talking about very young people, i agree.
but as an adult i compromise my art for money...

i understand it's not the same thing BUT the issue is some (capable and thinking adults) have to compromise in order to make a living...

This article is why I love the Swedes (I may move there after finishing grad school). Since many of them are socialist-feminists, they see no contradiction in viewing the porn industry as wrong, while having a progressive view of mutually enjoyable sexuality.

they do have a very balanced way of seeing things...perhaps it's because their culture is really old.

 

[Darkness]

if you are talking about very young people, i agree.
but as an adult i compromise my art for money...

i understand it's not the same thing BUT the issue is some (capable and thinking adults) have to compromise in order to make a living...

How about we make a compromise? It is illegal to participate in porn unless you are age 25 or older, since that is when cognitive and emotional development is completed.

 

[waitasec]

How about we make a compromise? It is illegal to participate in porn unless you are age 25 or older, since that is when cognitive and emotional development is completed.

for guys maybe...girls mature earlier

 

[Darkness]

for guys maybe...girls mature earlier

Despite your desire to see young girls have sex, I am not aware of any distinction between final development of the brain between boys and girls. Every statistic I have seen has placed male and female peak-cognitive and peak-emotional development around age 25.

 

[Me Myself]

My problem with pornography is that the chicks from the movies don´t materialize themselves in front of me so I can make them make those silly faces myself!

... and I mean for free.

 

[McBell]

Despite your desire to see young girls have sex, I am not aware of any distinction between final development of the brain between boys and girls. Every statistic I have seen has placed male and female peak-cognitive and peak-emotional development around age 25.

Does this mean you would also like to see the age of consent moved to age 23 or 25?
How about the age to vote?
To enter into contracts?
To drink?

 

[Acim]

Does this mean you would also like to see the age of consent moved to age 23 or 25?
How about the age to vote?
To enter into contracts?
To drink?

IMO, it ought to be age 40. And I do not joke.

This is my option B to what I think makes most sense for an intelligent society.

Reality is, even if everyone on this forum agreed to x age, society in 'your country' is unlikely to change that age anytime soon, and society in world is even less likely.

Given parameters at work on both sides, I think 16 to 21 is about as fair as we'll ever get with current generation (all persons currently 21 or older).

Oh, and related to this thread, allowing 16 years or older to watch, I see as non issue, making porn with actors under 21 is likely to be issue for at least a little while longer (read as next decade, or more).

 

[Darkness]

Does this mean you would also like to see the age of consent moved to age 23 or 25?
How about the age to vote?
To enter into contracts?
To drink?

I would like to see an increase in the age of consent (note: I believe in a progressive age of consent and do not wish to make it illegal for minors to have sex). The other issues I do not feel as strongly about, but that is probably because I study gender and sexuality issues as part of my sociology major. I would like to see stricter rules for military recruitment of young people. I do not necessarily think that changing the age of consent/pornography age is akin to the drinking age, however. For one, setting an age of consent law at 18 for pornography has worked, whereas laws prohibiting drinking have not. I would not mind having a discussion about the proper ages for everything you have mention. It might be fruitful.

 

[Ghaza]

Pornography helps in the idea of the child minded to break free from material parents only to realize they are important.

 

[Skwim]

For one, setting an age of consent law at 18 for pornography has worked, . . .

I assume you mean participating in the making of porno.

 

[waitasec]

Despite your desire to see young girls have sex, I am not aware of any distinction between final development of the brain between boys and girls. Every statistic I have seen has placed male and female peak-cognitive and peak-emotional development around age 25.

i guess my sarcastic meter wasn't working...

but i wonder why it is, in california, car insurance rates are higher for males at 21 than it is for females?