Possible explanations for homosexuality explained.

[Autodidact]

"Not sure I get you here. It could be possible that a gene associated with homosexuality confers a propagative advantage in a person who expresses the gene as a heterosexual. That wouldn't mean that an individual affected by the gene to be homosexual is somehow, as a homosexual, conferring an advantage to the gene pool. Rather it would be that homosexuality is a by-product/alternative expression of an advantageous genetic mechanism . "

Possibly, for male homosexuality only. Female homosexuality (IMO) is directly beneficial.

 

[Autodidact]

You are still getting it entirely the wrong way around. These aren't "gay genes" in the sense that they are nothing to do with homosexuality when presenting in their advantageous expression. Homosexuality would be a side effect of these genes.

That's right. They hypothesis is that they're sort of male-loving genes, that lead to increased fertility in some women, who has a sort of harmless side-effect have a few gay male offspring. Since the women have more offspring overall, there is no loss in reproduction. This idea is still being explored; it's not definitive. And, as I say, it only applies to males. And of course, no one cares about lesbians because we're not male and don't marry males. Therefore we're virtually non-existent.

 

[cardero]

Possible explanations for homosexuality explained.


It could BE simple loneliness.

It could BE confusion on the part of individuals to express themselves sexually.

One man may feel it is convenient and comfortable to share his feelings and sexual intimacy exclusively with other men.

It can BE the fact that, in one or many previous lives as a woman, someone may come back as a man but still retain the preference of sharing with another man.

The damaging or disappointing effects of a heterosexual relationship can bring on homosexuality in this lifetime.

These are not MY reasons; they are just some of the reasons I have observed throughout your history.

HELLO IT'S ME: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: Homosexuality
Pg: 95

 

[misanthropic_clown]

. Female homosexuality (IMO) is directly beneficial.

Care to expand on this point? I think you were saying it was a long explanation, but I don't mind. I just hope I haven't missed you exploring it elsewhere. It seems like the discussion branched off into about 3 different threads.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Alceste]

Care to expand on this point? I think you were saying it was a long explanation, but I don't mind. I just hope I haven't missed you exploring it elsewhere. It seems like the discussion branched off into about 3 different threads.

Thanks in advance.

Reduced risk of STDs and unplanned pregnancies is the most pragmatic one that comes to mind. Also, better communication, for people who are into that kind of thing (i.e. most women).

 

[Autodidact]

Care to expand on this point? I think you were saying it was a long explanation, but I don't mind. I just hope I haven't missed you exploring it elsewhere. It seems like the discussion branched off into about 3 different threads.

Thanks in advance.

Didn't I do this in another thread? This is my personal hypothesis.

Some things to bear in mind: The ancestral environment, which is the one we need to bear in mind, is hunter-gatherer. The difference between men and women is sex, so there is no reason to suppose that the reason has anything to do with male homosexuality. Female sexuality is very different from male sexuality. My opinion, from my life experience and knowledge of many such women, is that female sexuality is flexible and responsive. Many women can be homosexual at one point in their life and heterosexual at another point. I'm not saying every woman, but many women who may live most of their lives as heterosexual do have a capacity for a homosexual relationship.

My thinking is that there is never a shortage of males to get pregnant by. It only takes one for many women, and men are always willing to have sex. But, due mainly to the higher male death rate/shorter lifespan, (especially in the ancestral environment, due to war) there is shortage of male mates to help in raising those children. One societal response to this is polygamy. But children are more likely to survive and reproduce if they have two parents available to care and provide for them.

So my hypothesis is that if a woman is pregnant or has small children and no male long-term mate, then she and her children are more likely to survive if she has the capacity to form a longterm pairbond with another woman. That is, a homosexual capacity is evolutionarily beneficial for young mothers.

Under this hypothesis, completely homosexual women are a rare extreme version of this capacity. And in fact such "lesbian virgins" are relatively rare.

 

[Autodidact]

Reduced risk of STDs and unplanned pregnancies is the most pragmatic one that comes to mind. Also, better communication, for people who are into that kind of thing (i.e. most women).

Well, that's a different question. The advantages of lesbianism for any woman who does have that capacity are so many that I'm surprised more women don't adopt this way of life. [The obvious disadvantages are discrimination, no way to get legally married, and much harder to get pregnant.]

The HUGE advantage is that you never need to worry about unwanted pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc. These just don't exist in your world. I think any single heterosexual woman can appreciate that.

There is a lower risk of STDs and domestic violence.

And of course, there is a tremendous sexual advantage. The person you are making love with has the advantage of knowing how your body works, what you're more willing to like, and is more likely to be compatible with you in terms of pacing and approach.

Also a more subtle advantage in individual expression. It's O.K. to be and express anything from lipstick and stilletos to cowboy boots and jeans. There's a tremendous freedom in expressing your own individuality without concerning yourself with what might be attractive to men. That's the big thing for me. Certainly you enter a world where you never need to worry that your accomplishments or assertiveness threaten your mate. Quite the contrary.

And small advantages: comfortable shoes, more and better dancing, ability to borrow mate's clothes...

I highly recommend it to any woman who has the capacity. And you may have it and not know it unless you try it!

 

[Jeremiah]

and 1500 species of animals rely on genetic code that produces flaws and defects

Are you saying God made a mistake in His design?

 

[challupa]

Are you saying God made a mistake in His design?

Well how else can this be explained!?

 

[madhatter85]

Are you saying God made a mistake in His design?

I have not brought religion or morality into this debate and will not do so now.

 

[Zorro1227]

Some of us are in the mind that's left.

Have never struggled, have considered. Found myself to be a "flaming heterosexual" based upon the empirical evidence that men stink; that is, the simplest reason for my sexual orientation would be that I find the BO of the female far more alluring than the BO of the male.

Such "considerations" arise from a childhood among women who debased males continuously. Such is the reason why I find point 3 in the OP to be a simplistic and rather ignorant proposition. Comparing the nurture of an undeveloped mind in youth to that of an adult contemplation optical illusions is balderdash. The only thing "explained" in the eight pages of this thread is MadHatter's conditioned intolerance to homosexuality.

...so true

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I have not brought religion or morality into this debate and will not do so now.

How convenient!

 

[Alceste]

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And small advantages: comfortable shoes, more and better dancing, ability to borrow mate's clothes...

I highly recommend it to any woman who has the capacity. And you may have it and not know it unless you try it!

Well, I've tried a few things, and I'm pretty sure I haven't got the capacity. Luckily for me, though, I've got a man who is not threatened by my accomplishments or my self-expression. Took a while to find him though - I had to plough through quite a few inferior specimens to get to him.

 

[madhatter85]

Well, I've tried a few things, and I'm pretty sure I haven't got the capacity. Luckily for me, though, I've got a man who is not threatened by my accomplishments or my self-expression. Took a while to find him though - I had to plough through quite a few inferior specimens to get to him.

See? everyone finds somebody.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

And of course, there is a tremendous sexual advantage. The person you are making love with has the advantage of knowing how your body works, what you're more willing to like, and is more likely to be compatible with you in terms of pacing and approach.

Also a more subtle advantage in individual expression. It's O.K. to be and express anything from lipstick and stilletos to cowboy boots and jeans. There's a tremendous freedom in expressing your own individuality without concerning yourself with what might be attractive to men. That's the big thing for me. Certainly you enter a world where you never need to worry that your accomplishments or assertiveness threaten your mate. Quite the contrary.

To be fair, I think these things come down to who you choose as a mate, regardless of gender.

 

[Jeremiah]

because It is only sexuality that produces offspring in a species that reproduces sexually. It is much different than other behaviors at a fundamental level.

We have straight, bisexual, gay, with everything in between and you don't think there is a spectrum here? I bet even you have had more then your fair share of homosexuals thoughts.

And what is this obsession you have with sex? Is that you are sexually frustrated? Perhaps your wife can't satisfy your repressed homosexual desires.

 

[Jeremiah]

I have not brought religion or morality into this debate and will not do so now.

Then why is it in the religious debate section?

 

[Kerr]

We have straight, bisexual, gay, with everything in between and you don't think there is a spectrum here? I bet even you have had more then your fair share of homosexuals thoughts.

And what is this obsession you have with sex? Is that you are sexually frustrated? Perhaps your wife can't satisfy your repressed homosexual desires.

Yeah, sexuality is much, much more complicated then to say that hetrosexuality is the only one that produce children. Unprotected sex between a man and a woman does that. The people doing it can very well be homosexual, but that they want kids.

And as a note, bringing someones wife into a discussion tend to be rather bad news for the thread in question, you know :slap:.

 

[LittleNipper]

So what you're saying is that there aren't really gay people, but that being gay is so advantageous that some people just choose it? And I guess you're only resisting being gay by your incredible self-control?

I do agree with this much: many more women are capable of lesbian relationships than know it, and it has tremendous advantages, which I will be happy to list for anyone who is interested.

What I'm saying is that people who grow up eating garbage will develope to expect it ---- if not begin to like it... I believe everyone could be capable to have a homosexual relationship. It is often a matter of what one developes to expect from one's urges.

 

[Alceste]

To be fair, I think these things come down to who you choose as a mate, regardless of gender.

Actually, that's a good point. I am not completely sure I couldn't have a relationship with any woman, but I've never yet met a woman I felt I could have a relationship with. My serious crushes have all become close sisterly friendships where sex would feel kind of incestuous and icky, and my sexy shenanigans with female strangers have come to nothing.