Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. It can be demonstrated by the state I live in and the people in charge.
You of all people should know that in light of the country and political environment you live in.
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Power outages coming to NYC by 2025, and maybe upstate too, report says - casualty of "Green" concerns
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You of all people should know that in light of the country and political environment you live in.
I do! Thanks for explaining to me that you do not.
You have a lot more sun and wind in Texas than you do in New York City, not to mention a lot more open space for solar and wind farms.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I do as well, and likewise.
jbg
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Are you certain that strangling the American economy will prevent climate disaster?
jbg
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The leaders do not want relocation. They know that their arguments are fraudulent and farcical. Those leaders want the mah-nee .
Subduction Zone
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Subduction Zone
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As if massive heat waves, and more severe storms, isn't hurting the economy. Watch insurance rates going up, as they don't want to lose money. More costs will hurt the average citizen, and more extreme weather means more demand for heat and cooling, which will take more money out of home budgets. Think of workers who have to be out in the elements, and their performance drops as a result. More costs to the economy.
That is all the effects of global warming. It's going to cost all of us more and more.
SkepticThinker
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A lot of people don't seem to realize this, for some reason. Or care until it directly affects them.
Subduction Zone
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And all too often if they do realize it is very short lived. When whatever crisis that occurred that changed their mind is over they go back to their old ways of science denial.
You and others might find this recent news story about the uninsurable future an interesting one:
Homeowners struggle to get protection from climate disasters as big insurance companies scale back
The cost of home insurance in many parts is skyrocketing as more companies refuse to insure homes on the front lines of climate change. Homeowners face displacement if they can't get insurance.
Edited to add another version that's not required listening:
Look at Florida, two insurance companies have left the state due to the more frequent and severe weather. And premiums are going up for the residents to a degree that it isn't affordable. What then? Similar things are happening in California where there are more and more fires due to drought. It may become a point where insurance won't cover certain areas just to avoid the risk.
SkepticThinker
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And yet we've still got deniers, when it's staring them right in the face, and continually getting worse and worse.
The human race seems doomed to idiocy.
jbg
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I find the word "denier" offensive. Search the term “denier.“ It was in connection with the Holocaust that I first heard the term “denier,” I think, in the 1980s or 1990’s. My primary concern, however, is that climate has been put off-limits to any rational discussion. People who do not subscribe to the most radical action are considered to be heartless and mean. My search came up with denier (link) in dictionary.com:
Indeed the rhetoric about "tipping points" illustrates this, so that if catastrophes continue unabated they will argue they were not wrong, just not hysterical enough. And then get more and more restrictions.
It is definitely a pejorative term. And the posts above are dominated by hysteria. I believe in "denying" when we are being panicked into surrendering our lifestyles. If we could see the dystopia looming in the future, there would be a lot more skeptics. And is there any proof that pulling the plug on our economy would have any impact on climate? None.
Indeed the rhetoric about "tipping points" illustrates this, so that if catastrophes continue unabated they will argue they were not wrong, just not hysterical enough. And then get more and more restrictions.
Subduction Zone
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jbg
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Is there no doubt because you see no doubt? Or because of reading feverish saturation coverage?
Subduction Zone
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No, there is no doubt because there findings have been repeatedly tested and confirmed. Sort of like gravity. But then you probably do not have a clue as to how theories and hypotheses are tested and confirmed or refuted. For doubts to be valid one must be able to understand the science involved. That means that though you have doubts, they are not valid doubts. A person could doubt gravity because they did not understand it. Would that make those doubts valid?