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Pre_destination. Does it Exist?
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jimmy button
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In terms of biology some people believe that evolution has a predetermined path towards intelligent life. Now if we take this as a truth then what that means is that we are here on this earth to push the boundaries of our minds and seek answers to the questions of the times. I will admit I particularly love the end result of this theory of evolution. 
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well if you want to give life meaning than yes, it has. I would say its a destiny itself as to whether you attribute any meaning to it or not. -NM-
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Why do we need to give life meaning. Life is meaning enough.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Only your mind can predetermine your destination. For everything that happens there is a reaction. So you don't end up anywhere unless you willed it to be, or made a mistake causing you to go there. But what separates us from the ants on the hill?
Nothing does, we were created on equal terms.
We go to the same place when we die.
The only meaning is life, what else is there that you can proove?
Notice the Evolution theory still is a theory
Not a law (not that I don't support it)
So maybe it is predetermined to think that we are predetermined to go to Heaven/Hell, just like humans question the existence of higher beings, they always have and they always will.
But then look at the universe, at life. It is too beautiful and unpredictable for me to believe that we are predetermined to go anywhere, when we can controll our free will and determine ourselves where we wish to be, of course when we are not being oppressed by others.
So in your mind, travel to paradise. Because only you can go there, inside your mind. Make it last, but don't forget reality. Don't let others convince you of what you see inside is not truth, because truth is different to everyone, as everyone is different from everyone, yet we are all the same. So to answer the question of pre-destination, I would say it exists, but only in the dimensional universe called the mind.
After all, man is capable of writing his fantasy down.
The only pre-destination is the Earth, for when we die we become one with it again.
Death. It cannot be avoided. So in a way, I guess we are pre-destined to fail.
But I chose to believe that our destiny is in our hands. Where our destination is only predetermined by the mind and body.
Nothing does, we were created on equal terms.
We go to the same place when we die.
The only meaning is life, what else is there that you can proove?
Notice the Evolution theory still is a theory
Not a law (not that I don't support it)
So maybe it is predetermined to think that we are predetermined to go to Heaven/Hell, just like humans question the existence of higher beings, they always have and they always will.
But then look at the universe, at life. It is too beautiful and unpredictable for me to believe that we are predetermined to go anywhere, when we can controll our free will and determine ourselves where we wish to be, of course when we are not being oppressed by others.
So in your mind, travel to paradise. Because only you can go there, inside your mind. Make it last, but don't forget reality. Don't let others convince you of what you see inside is not truth, because truth is different to everyone, as everyone is different from everyone, yet we are all the same. So to answer the question of pre-destination, I would say it exists, but only in the dimensional universe called the mind.
After all, man is capable of writing his fantasy down.
The only pre-destination is the Earth, for when we die we become one with it again.
Death. It cannot be avoided. So in a way, I guess we are pre-destined to fail.
But I chose to believe that our destiny is in our hands. Where our destination is only predetermined by the mind and body.
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Ant in a pond posting here....life has the meaning that we each personally give it.
Destiny? I don't know about that, since I don't think it's even possible to test for it.
Destiny might be possible on some scales, given that probability & chance appear to
rule the subatomic world. From a practical standpoint, I act as though I have free will
& no predestination. But perhaps I'm predestined to think that way.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Even your mind has crossed the unknown. We are not so different. I believe destiny is a concept that has already happened, and us being humans realize this. So in a way I guess you could say that we learn from our past (though it doesn't seem like it) and we pre-destine the future. Or maybe we are just being fantastical and cannot pass greater judgment on reality. We try to find excuses for things and say that it was meant to happen, that everything happens for a reason. Of course everything happens for a reason, because we set things in motion to make other things happen, that make more things happen. It all seems like a big chain reaction.
So really, everything that happens in life happens because of something else right? So maybe that thing that set the action in motion was already predetermined, they just didn't know it.
Ha, so maybe, we are predetermining our destiny, we just don't realize it.
But then thats where the thought of free will comes in.
Sense most of us anyways, are not restrained to single minded thinking.
So maybe just maybe, destiny, is the thought of a predetermined free will.
Am I getting anywhere?
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Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Simple:
Atheists find little meaning in life beyond the here and now, and theists find meaning in the here and now, and also some unknown future they have learned about through imagination, texts, and experiences.
Atheists find little meaning in life beyond the here and now, and theists find meaning in the here and now, and also some unknown future they have learned about through imagination, texts, and experiences.
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Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
What about complex atheists?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I dare not speak of them, they will kidnap my children
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Wouldn't having a predetermined future give life less meaning?
Additionally, if life did have some sort of intrinsic meaning, there'd be a lot less existential crises going around.
Additionally, if life did have some sort of intrinsic meaning, there'd be a lot less existential crises going around.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Only if they're tender and succulent.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Don't you think your passing to quick of judgement? The future is determined by us, the generation that feeds the youth. So of course we would find meaning in the future if our relatives dwell in the future created by us, through imagination, text and experiences. All atheists are beyond the concept of supernatural but they doesn't mean they find little meaning to life and the 'beyond'. Because what is the meaning to life besides life? You cannot choose to exist, but you can choose to take yourself out. Corresponding to nature, anyone who feels emotions and thinks mentally, values life and it's 'meanings'.
You make it complex by dividing atheists and theists when we all really are the same beings, and think about the same things. We all just have different ways of viewing and approaching them. That is how determination for the future comes in.
Everyone has their own little fantasy, its our part as leaders and developers to make fantasy truth, and the future our destiny.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
No what this does is give meaning only to God, which if there is a God, his interest should be more important then ours. So I find little meaning in our existence other than what God allows us to experience. If God exists of course.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I never said they find little meaning in life. I said they find little meaning beyond the here and now.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I actually find a lot of meaning in both the past and future, as well as the here and now.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Very well, check that! and noted.
Atheist find very little meaning beyond lives lived here on Earth.
Edit: and possibly the space station...
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Same goes for theists. Even a belief in some type of afterlife is about finding meaning in your life here on earth.