Preferred Pronouns and Calling People 'IT'

[Princeps Eugenius]

Being transgender and being a transvestite or drag queen are completely separate things. Saying that being a trans woman is defined by wearing a dress is like saying that a businessman is defined by wearing a suit.

This is another incorrect statement. If that is your reason for wanting to transition, there are no doctors (psychology, psychiatry, or medical) who will condone, endorse, or support a transition.

The point was: If somebody, who was a male, would dress in women clothing (whatever his sexuality or thinking was) and if he said: "I am a girl and want to be called thus since now." That guy would become a female for you. Thats the logic behind trans.

Actually, it's not really interesting, and the answer is rather mundane. Go educate yourself rather than spew ignorance.

Okay, care to give me an answer then? Care to show some statistics where women have a penis sewn on to them and having their vagina sealed somehow? Even the most famous sex-change woman, forgot her name, removed her breasts and was a bodybuilder with a mascular and tatooed body kept her vagina because "i feel more comfortable with it". What more proof do you need?

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

So let's get this straight, danddolo. You are saying that this person is a woman:

And this person is a man:

And you are calling other people delusional?

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

So let's get this straight, danddolo. You are saying that this person is a woman:

And this person is a man:

And you are calling other people delusional?

Most of the "transgender" look absolutely nothing like that. These are relatively rare examples. And yes they look different from their birth sex but it does not make gender and actual sex performance the opposite gender. That manly man has a vagina and cant do any penetrating with a penis and that girly girl below probably still has a penis and cant get wet.

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

Most of the "transgender" look absolutely nothing like that. These are relatively rare examples. And yes they look different from their birth sex but it does not make gender and actual sex performance the opposite gender. That manly man has a vagina and cant do any penetrating with a penis and that girly girl below probably still has a penis and cant get wet.

if a cis guy loses his penis in an accident, is he a woman? My point is that you would refer to a really obviously male or female person as the opposite out of completely pointless hostility. Why are you holding this worldview that accomplishes literally nothing positive?

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

if a cis guy loses his penis in an accident, is he a woman? My point is that you would refer to a really obviously male or female person as the opposite out of completely pointless hostility. Why are you holding this worldview that accomplishes literally nothing positive?

Because most people prefer to be straight. And things like transgender or femenism only confuses and lowers the already weak birthrates even further. Imagine kids being thaught that they can be the cute little girl from childhood and that its absolutely good to be weak and to experement with your sex. Do you think people would actually stick with being a girl for life or a man for life? No they would switch back and forth and experement and ultimatevily the birthrates, which are already so low that the populations are dying out, would drop to zero. And i think this is basically insane to say youre a girl when you have the complete body of a boy or vice versa. Its like saying youre a cat when you have the body of a human.

 

[psychoslice]

You can call me a thing or it, or a ding-a-ling, its doesn't worry me the least, there just stupid labels, not worth worrying about.

 

[SomeRandom]

Im not "sane" myself. I have actually spend a long time in a mental ward. (Related to my "god experience"). And i know what its all about. I even know what it feels like to be paranoid. I am not saying that all schizophrenics other mentally ill people are inherantly violent or suicidal but they have these tendencies which result from a delusional perspective of the world. Check any schizophrenic forum and you will find out that they quite often behave violently and threaten their friends and relatives while psychotic and unmedicated.
Transgender is a modern term and modern idea. Relating it back to historical times leads no-where because those cultures and ideas are gone and have nothing to do with our current democratic and secular society.
Transgender promotes a culture where people can switch back and forth between sexes thus being male there and female here. This not only confuses many people but it also, as i said, is like a mental illness where you are delusional about your own mind, body and spirit. Most of the "transgender" are men who dress up as women and are homosexual. In few cases women who dress up like men and are homosexual. It is seldom to have these men undergo surgery to be "more of a woman" (mostly breasts). With female to male surgeries of the private parts almost being non-existant. As i said this is just a confusion of reality. Male want to be women because they feel that being feminine has more sexuality and to get more "love" so to speak from everybody (males and females). It is purely a selfish act and a mentally ill one at that. Whats us not to stop at people pretending to be animals and we actually respecting them as such? Since they can pretend to be a gender which they are not.

Hate to break this to you but transgender is not a new thing at all. In fact in India and by extension Hinduism identifies what they call a "third gender" and have done so for the last few thousand years and continue to do so.
Also hermaphrodites exist. As do pseudo mites.

Go to Thailand and I doubt you could tell the "lady boys" apart from born men very easily.
Dressing up as a female is just cross dressing. Many heterosexual males do this. Females do this on a daily basis technically.
Oh and just because someone has a rare condition doesn't excuse you from treating them awfully. Like if someone is born disfigured and has to undergo hundreds of surgery for both medical and "superficial" reasons. If you treat that person like **** you're nothing but scum. Generally speaking of course.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Do you guys play tag in Saudi Arabia?

Um, yes
And other games too that I found out lately Westerns play as well.
Not in my adulthood (so far) tho

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not even breasts can be created as those which are given by birth,

You obviously know very little about breast, breast tissue, breast growth, and how hormones control them.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gynecomastia/basics/definition/con-20028710
From your postings, your understand of sex, sexual development, and gender is on par with the average Creationist's understanding of biology and evolution.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Um, yes
And other games too that I found out lately Westerns play as well.

That's cool!

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

You obviously know very little about breast, breast tissue, breast growth, and how hormones control them.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gynecomastia/basics/definition/con-20028710
From your postings, your understand of sex, sexual development, and gender is on par with the average Creationist's understanding of biology and evolution.

Care to show me where i was wrong? Men have breasts, im not deniying that but you should know that when men get breast implant they cant produce milk anymore, neither can women who get breast implants to have bigger boobs. youre just here to make me look ridiculous not to actually discuss anything.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Care to show me where i was wrong? Men have breasts, im not deniying that but you should know that when men get breast implant they cant produce milk anymore, neither can women who get breast implants to have bigger boobs. youre just here to make me look ridiculous not to actually discuss anything.

It's difficult to discuss when you regurgitate tired and disproven bashing points (saying transgenderism is a new and modern concept is just as fallacious and just as easily disproven as saying the Earth is 6,000 years old). And a part of a discussion does include providing counter points.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

It's difficult to discuss when you regurgitate tired and disproven bashing points (saying transgenderism is a new and modern concept is just as fallacious and just as easily disproven as saying the Earth is 6,000 years old). And a part of a discussion does include providing counter points.

there was no such term as "transgender" 50 years ago. therefore its a modern idea.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm a trans guy, but I don't recognize Jenner as a transsexual woman because all the signs point to him being a transvestite. I've known people like him before and can tell the difference - and there is a difference between a male transvestite and a transsexual woman. He's also an awful person in general and he doesn't deserve nice comments on articles in the first place. Now, if I were in front of him or someone like him, I'd call them whatever they wanted. It's just not that important to me, and I'm sick of Jenner in general.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Most of the "transgender" look absolutely nothing like that. These are relatively rare examples.

No, they're not "rare" examples. If a female to male transsexuals has been on testosterone for long enough and it's at a male level, you're not going to be able to tell that he was born with a female body. Same with male to female transsexuals, especially if they transition at a younger age.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

there was no such term as "transgender" 50 years ago. therefore its a modern idea.

A modern term does not necessarily make a concept modern. And, to the contrary, "transgender" as we know it today, even the earliest modern surgeries, have been around for over 50 years - nearly a century to be exact. However, for many, many centuries cultures around the globe have recognized those who are outside of the male/female dichotomy, with some even having their own primitive sex-change surgeries.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

there was no such term as "transgender" 50 years ago. therefore its a modern idea.

We were called transsexuals first, which was coined around the '20s by Magnus Hirschfeld. The first medical sex changes happened around the same time.

(Personally, I think that "transsexual" and "transsexualism" are the most accurate terms for it, so I don't use "transgender".)

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

Because most people prefer to be straight. And things like transgender or femenism only confuses and lowers the already weak birthrates even further. Imagine kids being thaught that they can be the cute little girl from childhood and that its absolutely good to be weak and to experement with your sex. Do you think people would actually stick with being a girl for life or a man for life? No they would switch back and forth and experement and ultimatevily the birthrates, which are already so low that the populations are dying out, would drop to zero. And i think this is basically insane to say youre a girl when you have the complete body of a boy or vice versa. Its like saying youre a cat when you have the body of a human.

A homophobic Hellenist? When will the zaniness end? Come back once you've read up on Antinous, or Hyacinth, or Patroclus, or the Sacred Band of Thebes. If there's one thing we can learn from the Greeks, it's that behind every great man, there's a great... younger man.

Also, I never realized until now that a chronically depressed cat that feels uncomfortable in their body can undergo a medical process after being psychologically evaluated by a certified practitioner that ends with them being indistinguishable from an infertile human. I guess "cat to human" really is like being trans. The more you know!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Okay, care to give me an answer then? Care to show some statistics where women have a penis sewn on to them and having their vagina sealed somehow? Even the most famous sex-change woman, forgot her name, removed her breasts and was a bodybuilder with a mascular and tatooed body kept her vagina because "i feel more comfortable with it". What more proof do you need?

Are you referring to female to male genital surgery? Most transsexual men don't get it because it's not very advanced. There's two major options for having a penis created - one that leaves you with a micropenis that you can't use for penetration, and the other that does leave you with a penis big enough for penetration but it's a very grueling, long process that leaves a huge, horrible scar because it requires a large skin graft, typically from the forearm. They're also very expensive and most health insurance doesn't cover it. So most of us have to make do in other ways.

It's easier to create female genitals from male organs than the other way around. Cheaper, too.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

A modern term does not necessarily make a concept modern. And, to the contrary, "transgender" as we know it today, even the earliest modern surgeries, have been around for over 50 years - nearly a century to be exact. However, for many, many centuries cultures around the globe have recognized those who are outside of the male/female dichotomy, with some even having their own primitive sex-change surgeries.

How come it never saw public light and was never mentioned in any of the historical, philosophical or political writings then? Nowadays, just a couple of years ago, this term popped up and all the people go wild about it and try to promote political, philosophical and even (as you do) historical justification for it.
it think this is simply a modern zeitgeist and joke honestly. the only cases i am familar with, of the transsexual people/creatures, is ancient MYTHOLOGY.