Premarital Sex vs. Homosexuality

[MysticSang'ha]

Some people approach nookie like a field sport - that's fine by me.

For myself, sex and love are intertwined. I think having a sexual relationship with somone you love opens doors to a way of being that is on another level.

I believe that whatever ones sexual orientation, that timeless moment with one you love is the goal - be you married, single, straight or gay.
I consider sin to be distance from God. I have no doubt that a moment of bliss in a loving relationship, perhaps because of the selflesness involved, is a move away from sin.

And then there's Tantra...

 

[Kathryn]

I agree with Stephen's post.

And yes, it IS hypocritical to condemn homosexual sex but not be consistently against premarital or extramarital sex as well.

As a Christian, I have a pretty big problem with that sort of hypocrisy. For instance, the parents who give their daughter a huge white wedding after she's been shacking up with her boyfriend for four years. I mean - what sort of shower present do you give to a couple who bought and furnished a house together two years before they got married?

I'm not opposed to them getting married, but skip the white dress and "Piety-For-A-Day" PLEASE.

 

[sandandfoam]

And then there's Tantra...

The only thing I know about Tantra is Sting and that's enough to put anyone off!!

 

[Kathryn]

Oh come on, Sting ain't so bad.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

The only thing I know about Tantra is Sting and that's enough to put anyone off!!

LOL

Well, here you go for a taste of but one of the many different aspects of tantra in Tibetan Buddhism:

According to some Tibetan authorities, the physical practice of sexual yoga is necessary at the highest level for the attainment of Buddhahood.[11] The use of sexual yoga is highly regulated. It is only permitted after years of training.[12] The physical practice of sexual yoga is extremely rare, and has been historically limited as well.[13] A great majority of Tibetans believe that the only proper practice of tantric texts is metaphorically, not physically, in rituals and during meditative visualizations.[14] The dominant Gelug sect of Tibetan Buddhism holds that sexual yoga as an actual physical practice is the only way to attain Buddhahood in one lifetime. The founder of the sect Tsongkhapa did not, according to tradition, engage in this practice, but instead attained complete enlightenment at the moment of death, that being according to this school the nearest possible without sexual yoga. The school also taught that they are only appropriate for the most elite practitioners, who had directly realized emptiness and who had unusually strong compassion. The next largest school in Tibet, the Nyingma, holds that this is not necessary to achieve Buddhahood in one lifetime.[15] The current de facto[16] leader of the Gelug sect, the fourteenth Dalai Lama, holds that for ordained monks the practice should only be done as a visualization.[17] Shingon, along with all non-tantric forms of Buddhism, does not recognize sexual yoga.

 

[Autodidact]

I am 100% for sex being for a committed relationship. I don't like the idea of just sleeping around with anyone, but I think being in a strong committed relationship, where the most likely outcome will be marriage, is a good place for it.

There needs to be love, and committing - that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be marriage. And, this of course is the same for homosexual couples.

I still can't frubal this caring new member. Would someone else please say something frubal-worthy so it can be her turn again?

 

[Autodidact]

But people in the outer darkness get worse than what befell those who opposed Israel. That's the point of the 'tales'. Much worse- and worse because the fate is known to be deserved, too. Taking moral high ground is going to look risible.

Why do people think that threatening you with their imaginary friend would be effective?

Hey, kejos, if you don't change your evil ways, my invisible dragon will scorch you!

 

[Autodidact]

I agree with Stephen's post.

Me too.

 

[Autodidact]

Actually the official Christian attitude toward pre-marital sex causes more problems than their stance on homosexuality. It leads to younger marriages, therefore more divorce [the real reason why Protestants have the highest divorce rate, higher than atheists], teen pregnancy, refusal to learn about or use birth control, and other serious problems.

 

[Misty]

I don't know what it is like in the US but here in the UK sex education is part of the school curriculum including lessons on how to use contraceptives properly and homosexuality. I think all responsible parents should educate their children about sex from an early age, obviously using age appropriate language. Children usually start asking about where babies come from 3 or 4yrs and that is the time to start talking about the topic, never of course giving them more information than they can handle at any one time. When my children were young the conversation around the meal table could be quite X rated! No topic was ever taboo.

 

[Nerthus]

I don't know what it is like in the US but here in the UK sex education is part of the school curriculum including lessons on how to use contraceptives properly and homosexuality.

Homosexuality was never brought up at my school.

 

[Nerthus]

I still can't frubal this caring new member. Would someone else please say something frubal-worthy so it can be her turn again?

You're too sweet

 

[Misty]

Homosexuality was never brought up at my school.

You live in Scotland so it could be different, but I believe it is brought up in England and Wales these days.

 

[Autodidact]

I don't know what it is like in the US but here in the UK sex education is part of the school curriculum including lessons on how to use contraceptives properly and homosexuality. I think all responsible parents should educate their children about sex from an early age, obviously using age appropriate language. Children usually start asking about where babies come from 3 or 4yrs and that is the time to start talking about the topic, never of course giving them more information than they can handle at any one time. When my children were young the conversation around the meal table could be quite X rated! No topic was ever taboo.

Are you joking? Teachers are getting into trouble for teaching basic biology. If we tried to teach proper sex education, the right-wing Christians would shut down the school.

 

[Duck]

Are you joking? Teachers are getting into trouble for teaching basic biology. If we tried to teach proper sex education, the right-wing Christians would shut down the school.

Ain't that the truth!

Long ago, when I was in 9th grade, I took biology. I did learn some basic biology stuff, you know like the very basic genetics (Mendel's work), dissected frogs, looked at onion skins and such under a microscope. I was also taught, in public school (as in free education (American style public school)) christian creationism. The biology teacher wasn't happy about it, and taught the bare minimum, without making it testable, and he looked like he was chewing lemons the whole time, but it was mandated as part of the curriculum. I cannot remember if ToE was taught, I think that some of Darwins work was taught (Origin of Species) but not necessarily the full ToE as known at the time.

 

[Misty]

I was a teenager back in the 60s. I went to an all girls school, where our biology master had the unenviable task of teaching 15 years olds about human reproduction, being the 60s, when sex was invented, we problably knew more about it than him! I remember he was wearing a red tie, and his face matched it for colour so embarrassed was he. "Oooooooooooh Sir", we chanted, "You are going redder and redder!" Poor man was probably traumatised for life!

When I was twelve I decided I wanted a brother, already having three younger sisters. I knew what condoms were for, even though my prudish mother would have died rather than tell us the facts of life! My father kept his in his bedside locker, I got a darning needle and pierced each one, horrid child that I was! However, I had no further siblings. (as far as I know!)

 

[Nerthus]

When I was twelve I decided I wanted a brother, already having three younger sisters. I knew what condoms were for, even though my prudish mother would have died rather than tell us the facts of life! My father kept his in his bedside locker, I got a darning needle and pierced each one, horrid child that I was! However, I had no further siblings. (as far as I know!)

Haha! That's terrible, but brilliant at the same time

 

[Misty]

Haha! That's terrible, but brilliant at the same time

Thank goodness my parents didn't discover what I had done, the subsequent thrashing I would have received would have ensured I still couldn't sit down!

 

[justbehappy]

The Christian stand on premarital sex.

"Premarital sexual relationships are strongly condemned in both the Old Testament and New Testament of the Bible. Therefore, Christians who engage in premarital sex are breaking God's laws and are not following Jesus Christ. Under such practices, God is not honored, and both yours and your partner's walk with Christ is hampered."
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"God is 100 percent against pre-marital sex and that He commands us to not take part in pre-marital sex. It doesn't matter what all of your friends are doing or what you see in movies or videos or even what unmarried people who live in your own house are doing. God's Word has not changed. God is today and has always been against His children participating in pre-marital sex! God wants us to have sexual relations with our husband or wife only. 1 Corinthians 7:2 reads "To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
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"Sex before marriage, pre-marital experience, assuming one is talking of sexual intercourse or perversion of the same, the word of God implies it all by calling it fornication. It knows no exception. It allows none. Renaming fornication does not change the act or remove the consequence. Those who commit fornication, sin.

God says it is fornication, sin, and those who commit such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It is not sex which God condemns, but it's misuse outside the marriage bond.
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Yet we find . . . . .

"NEW YORK — More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike, have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were more chaste in the past.

The study, examining how sexual behavior before marriage has changed over time, was based on interviews conducted with more than 38,000 people — about 33,000 of them women — in 1982, 1988, 1995 and 2002 for the federal National Survey of Family Growth. According to Finer’s analysis, 99 percent of the respondents had had sex by age 44, and 95 percent had done so before marriage."
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Which means that a huge percentage of Christians found/find this condemnation by their religion not worth paying attention to. A pick and choose approach to Christian theology to be sure, which is obviously predicated on whose ox is being gored. If it's someone else's sin of course it should be denounced. If it's my sin, the less said the better. Hypocrisy plain and simple, but nothing new.

This confused me. I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing.

 

[justbehappy]

My husband and I certainly had sex before we married and we were 'born agains' at the time, we never regretted it! I think it is stupid to save sex for marriage in a committed relationship. You need to know if you are sexually compatible before you tie the knot.

As for homosexuality, for goodness sake what is the problem with it? The Bible is WRONG where it is concerned, but then it is wrong about many things, imo.

That is my point. If so many people think that the bible is wrong on premarital sex, why can't the accept that it may be wrong about homosexuality too??