Premarital Sex vs. Homosexuality

[kejos]

This is a switch for you...

Unless someone's keen to change the subject.

 

[sojourner]

Unless someone's keen to change the subject.

Meaning...?

 

[jml03]

There are many stories of the bible, places, things, people that can be historically proven by scholars. Yes, some are quite scary to put it bluntly; yet overall, the message God sends through His word is LOVE - LOVE another random stranger as much as we love ourselves, children, etc. We are all God's children. My parents spanked my rear growing up when I misbehaved, they grounded me to the house, took away various things from me. Eventually, they had to let me go and experience the good and bad of life on my own. Yet, they were always there to help me when I stumbled. Perhaps they did not "fix" my problems, but they walked with me through them. God is the same as the most loving parent. He will do all of those things when we need discipline, just in His own way.
With regard to the homosexuality issue, I have to say, it is a sin. But God does not frown on it any more than he does murder, stealing a piece of gum from the store, lying about how much you spent on clothes to your spouse, or envying your neighbor's new car. It is all the same. There is no sin greater that another with the exception of finding, knowing and loving God - then saying He is not real. That is an abomination.

 

[Skwim]

There are many stories of the bible, places, things, people that can be historically proven by scholars. Yes, some are quite scary to put it bluntly; yet overall, the message God sends through His word is LOVE - LOVE another random stranger as much as we love ourselves, children, etc.

Like the love he showed for the millions he purposely drowned in the flood.

 

[kejos]

Like the love he showed for the millions he purposely drowned in the flood.

Fundie alert.

 

[Skwim]

Fundie alert.

Calling up the reserves, are you. To the walls, men. To the walls.

 

[Duck]

AH, so slavery is ok, but homosexuality is out.
Gotcha.

Ah, so you are free of sin then?
Or is it just this particular sin that one HAS to be completely free from?

You at least seem to be consistent.
You seem to apply your pick and choose logic to all the Bible....

This is just for Autodidact:

From another thread, my post regarding homosexuality and the right wing.

'Well, obviously, because the right wingers find gay sex to be both oddly compelling and completely icky.

I mean really, the right wingers spend more time railing against (and more money fighting against) gays, gay sex, gay marriage, gay adoption and gay-ole-paree than the gays spend having gay sex. Seriously, the right wingers spend more time thinking about gay sex than gay men do, its no wonder that it is considered to be the one unforgivable sin in modern christianity. I could axe-murder an entire kindergarten class and a puppy, walk into a SBC church with the axe still dripping, claim that the debil made me do it, express my remorse, accept jesus as my savior and be assured that I would be going to heaven as a sinless saint (after my death-penalty execution attended and cheered by fellow congregants) but the gay couple that wants to file income taxes jointly, while running a soup kitchen, half-way house and foster parenting 5 special needs kids are hell bound without recourse, all of course because they love each other instead of pumping out more babies in a loveless marriage to a woman.'

The pertinent point in my rant earlier.

 

[Duck]

It depends on what is meant by 'believes in'. If it is an intellectual belief that Jesus died for one's sins, it's not enough. The Greek and Hebrew words for 'believe' also mean 'trust'- so one cannot divorce belief from trust when it comes to Christianity, though a major difference grew up in the centuries following Christ, when nominalism led to intellectual faith without personal trust. It also involves love- 'we love because he first loved us,' John wrote, and if the threat of eternal hell is not enough, the love of Jesus through the cross is sufficient. Personal trust and love is what Paul referred to when he wrote that some of the saints had been homosexuals, but were no longer so. There are reformed drunks, druggies, thieves, fornicators, and yes, homosexuals, and some of them are able to give up their practices immediately on conversion. Others need help, but complete change is possible in time, and persons with homosexual desires before conversion can have satisfying heterosexual marriages after conversion. The important thing, and a rather rare thing in the West, is genuine conversion, which involves taking sides with God against oneself- hating one's sins, and loving God in Christ enough to put them into the past.

That first line, you know, I don't know about anyone else, but generally speaking, threats of torture usually don't go together very well with "love". Just saying.

That second part there, has it occurred to you that perhaps these folks were bi- and decided to marry a woman and pump out future tithers due to social pressure? I mean seriously, there is an entire category in the LGBT community in which people are attracted to both sexes. You know, bi-sexual, the B in LGBT?

 

[kejos]

That first line, you know, I don't know about anyone else, but generally speaking, threats of torture usually don't go together very well with "love". Just saying.

Say away- to the wall, because others don't see it in those terms- those less-than-impartial terms, perhaps.

So many are experts in shifting goalposts, like those guys who do pit-stop changes.

That second part there, has it occurred to you that perhaps these folks were bi

All of them?

 

[emiliano]

Let me challenge you with this.
When people sin, they know they are sinning and do it anyways, correct?
Why is it then that most homosexuals do not feel they are sinning? I am speaking of Christian homosexuals here btw. Why will God not make their conscious aware that what they are doing is wrong?

When people sin, they know they are sinning and do it anyways, correct?

No, not always there are more ways that people sins, ignorance is one example deceive is another
Why is it then that most homosexuals do not feel they are sinning?
I take ignorance and deceive, ignorance of God’s word and deceive of preachers of false doctrines, demon’s doctrine
Why will God not make their conscious aware that what they are doing is wrong?
But He does, he inspired the scriptures: 2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[Misty]

Why is it then that most homosexuals do not feel they are sinning?

Because they are NOT, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

 

[jml03]

The flood is believed in many religions. Almost all of them have some sort of story about it. I could go on about how much God loves us. One theory on what He did in the flood, was protect genealogy. You see, prior to the flood, angels were coming down to earth and fornicating with women. These women had babies in some instances, possibly. When Noah is described, it is stressed about his pure, clean (using my own words). Perhaps it was because he had no angels in his lineage. His lineage had to be preserved all the way to Jesus. Who knows. I will ask one day when I am with my Father.

 

[kejos]

The flood is believed in many religions.

As allegory, in Christianity. Noah and family are the saved; the flood is the last judgement, and the ark is Christ. 'There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.'

 

[Misty]

The flood is believed in many religions. Almost all of them have some sort of story about it. I could go on about how much God loves us. One theory on what He did in the flood, was protect genealogy. You see, prior to the flood, angels were coming down to earth and fornicating with women. These women had babies in some instances, possibly. When Noah is described, it is stressed about his pure, clean (using my own words). Perhaps it was because he had no angels in his lineage. His lineage had to be preserved all the way to Jesus. Who knows. I will ask one day when I am with my Father.

How did Noah get around the world to pick up two of each species not native to the Middle East, and how did he have enough room in the ark to house them all.

 

[kejos]

How did Noah get around the world to pick up two of each species not native to the Middle East, and how did he have enough room in the ark to house them all.

It's allegory, as CoE 'priests' realise.

Unlike Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Skwim]

The flood is believed in many religions. Almost all of them have some sort of story about it.

So what?

One theory on what He did in the flood, was protect genealogy.

And he would do this because . . . ? It certainly didn't result in a sinless population following the flood.

You see, prior to the flood, angels were coming down to earth and fornicating with women. These women had babies in some instances, possibly. When Noah is described, it is stressed about his pure, clean (using my own words). Perhaps it was because he had no angels in his lineage. His lineage had to be preserved all the way to Jesus. Who knows. I will ask one day when I am with my Father.

"possibly," "perhaps." Sorry, but your speculation is meaningless.

 

[jml03]

So what?

And he would do this because . . . ? It certainly didn't result in a sinless population following the flood.

"possibly," "perhaps." Sorry, but your speculation is meaningless.

Isn't that what we are all doing here? I can honestly say that NONE of us were present at the creation of our universe. NONE of us were present during the flood, NONE of us were alive to see Jesus, Muhammad, Abraham, Moses, etc.

I go by what I read, and what I feel. Speculation? Possibly. But, my speculation gives me a peace in my heart that I have never known. I choose to make decisions on my own, through God's word and what it means to me.

You know, I make difficult decisions daily. Sometimes I think "why did I do that". I second myself from time to time. I sincerely believe that I am not capable of understanding the why's of everything God does, nor do I believe anyone else is capable. It's like saying, "God, let me take care of this because I can do it better." or like God saying, "well, I think I need to flood the world, but hold on, I better let Jamie know what's going on first" pfft!

Speculation? ya that sounds good to me.

 

[it's_sam]

This might interest some of you, it's concerning possible new evidence of noah's ark. Masonic Forum of Light - Noah's ark was circular!

 

[jml03]

Thank you, never thought of it like that. I have read that some Buddhist, Native American Indians, and others talk of a great flood in their history. You see, I have some trouble believing that all were lost, save Noah and family. For example, these completely different groups have some story about this. If all had perished, how would they have stories of it from their history? So many things that I can question, but my faith allows me to overlook some things. I guess, to me, I'm not meant to have ALL the answers yet.

BTW, thanks for the link!

 

[it's_sam]

np