Theists in general don't need arguments for their beliefs; it's only theists who care about being rational who need arguments.
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Present arguments for atheism
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Mohammad Nur Syamsu
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The rational validation is found in that God and the soul are proper subjective terms, because the terms are defined in regards to agency of decisions.
It is then only to denote that it is immoral to regard the spiritual domain as empty, eventhough such expressions of emptiness are logically valid, and commonly human.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
First of all, that's completely subjective opinion on your part; and also, arguments means presenting arguments, in this case /it has to mean that// in which case you aren't stating anything useful. or meaningful.
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That people should have good reasons for their beliefs? If it's subjective, at least it's widely shared.
I don't think I've met a person yet who disagrees. Even the most irrational person will think they have justification for their beliefs.
No, having an argument is separate from presenting an argument.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Therefore? Is your argument that theists don't have good reasons for their beliefs?
No; my argument is that theists who haven't bothered to find good reasons for their beliefs don't care about being rational.
Once again please using different words, and this time in English.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
'good reasons'', to your subjective standards? And what does being ''rational'' have to do with anything, if the rationality is irrational. What is the benefit of that.
how are you judging rationalty anyway,
Your rationality? From your particular cultural zeitgeist, or what?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
and that's rational? Even if the person is ''irrational;'? and so what? A person might have personal justification for anything; who cares.
No; to their own standards.
Not sure what you're getting at.
Again: right now I'm talking about the individual's own standards.
If someone hasn't developed a justification for his own faith that he considers sufficiently convincing, then he doesn't care whether his beliefs are true.
If he does have a justification he considers sufficiently convincing, then we can still have a discussion about whether his justification is reasonable, but if he doesn't have one at all, then he's effectively abdicated his use of reason.
I get the impression that you're arguing against an argument that I'm not making.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
And as atheists insist that only facts are true, we are back to atheists rejecting any and all subjectivity.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
Every time an atheist has lost the argument they talk about impressions they have, and how the argument presented is incomprehensible.
The only thing atheists got is to repeat fact, and then repeat it some more, opinions, expression of emotion, they do not comprehend it.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
That is just more rejection of subjectivity
McBell
Unbound
Sad really, that you have not yet convinced yourself of the truth of your claim.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
More garbage from you.
McBell
Unbound
More bull **** from you.
No worries mate, I got a rubber raft and chest waders!
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
More garbage from you.
McBell
Unbound
Still waiting for you to post something that is not simply a repeat of the same old bull ****.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
More of your posting tons of garbage debating tactic. You've got no argumentation. Atheism in practise is about rejecting subjectivity, as was fully explained, argued, and evidenced.