President Obama declares this June Gay and Lesbian Pride Month

[Autodidact]

my being a male has nothing to do with it yet you made that a point of the discussion. That's sexist.

Over non-whites and homosexuals? You misrepresent me. I never said anything of the kind. I'm talking about being equal and giving both groups the same respects not holding any group above another. I never said there shouldn't be a gay and lesbian month nor a black history month.

I'm simply asking why it's OK to be bigoted towards heterosexuals and whites by not officially designating a month for everyone to celebrate their race and history and sexuality? It's a very simple yes or no answer everyone keeps dancing around;

Shouldn't whites and heteros get a month designated to them by the government to celebrate their race and orientation?

Yes or no.

So I gather you've been active in the struggle for gay marriage then?

 

[Green Gaia]

When straight, white people are oppressed, segregated, persecuted and discriminated against for no other reason than they are straight and/or white, then you will have an argument, Hiker. Straight white people have enjoyed a class of privilege and opportunity. The fact that people are recognizing that everyone else does not have that same luxury does in no way oppress, segregate, persecute and/or discriminate against you.

 

[Autodidact]

Has anyone besides me noticed this new racist etc. trope where people who are advocating for equal rights are attacked as "racist?" Like, Sonya Sotomayor is attacked as racist because she wants Hispanic Americans included as equals in our society. Anyone who advocates for equality, recognizing the fact of discrimination, is attacked as "racist" or "bigoted," for not advocating for the equal right of others to discriminate against them. Here, people who are advocating for mere equality for gay people are attacked as anti-straight.

White is now black, up is down, and day is night. At this point, the people who use the word "racist" are all racist people. So hiker has adapted this to use the word "discrimination" to advocate against people who advocate for equality. Nifty, but bizarre.

 

[Magic Man]

So I, as a white heterosexual, do not deserve recognition for my race and sexual orientation? We don't have a month or even a day. Would it not be fair to set aside a day or month where we could all celebrate the vast accomplishments of whites throughout history as well as great heterosexuals?

Come on, really? Heterosexuals and caucasians are recognized and celebrated every day because we are the majority. Being caucasian opens a lot of doors. Being heterosexual gives you more rights than being homosexual. Just look at famous people, like actors and politicians. How many are white and how many are another race? Look at Obama. He's the first president in history who's not white. I think that's plenty of validation for you.

The majority doesn't need validation like that because they're the majority. Minorities need that validation sometimes because, for instance, they don't have the equal marriage rights and things like that. I know you already understand this, you just need to grow up about it.

 

[Magic Man]

And yours is bigoted.

Grow up.

 

[Autodidact]

Come on, really? Heterosexuals and caucasians are recognized and celebrated every day because we are the majority. Being caucasian opens a lot of doors. Being heterosexual gives you more rights than being homosexual. Just look at famous people, like actors and politicians. How many are white and how many are another race? Look at Obama. He's the first president in history who's not white. I think that's plenty of validation for you.

The majority doesn't need validation like that because they're the majority. Minorities need that validation sometimes because, for instance, they don't have the equal marriage rights and things like that. I know you already understand this, you just need to grow up about it.

But didn't you know that Obama is a racist?

 

[gzusfrk]

So the Bible is Jesus? That's not the normal way that transubstatiation is supposed to work, you know. :sarcastic
God is not normal.

Exactly where in the Bible (i.e. in what chapter and verse of "Jesus") does it say that the Bible is sufficient for correction and training in righteousness?
2Timothy 3:16








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish-American_Heritage_Month

 

[Apex]

You do not hold whites or heterosexuals as being equally worthy of recognition. That is bigoted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz07lu9410I

 

[Green Gaia]

YouTube - indocU

Wow...

 

[Smoke]

Shouldn't whites and heteros get a month designated to them by the government to celebrate their race and orientation?

Sure. But African-Americans and LGBTs got that token and symbolic recognition only after long decades of struggle for equal rights, and in recognition of that struggle. So if you want such a day, you probably need to get started organizing your civil rights movement first.

Oh, wait ... you don't need one.

 

[Smoke]

Has anyone besides me noticed this new racist etc. trope where people who are advocating for equal rights are attacked as "racist?" Like, Sonya Sotomayor is attacked as racist because she wants Hispanic Americans included as equals in our society. Anyone who advocates for equality, recognizing the fact of discrimination, is attacked as "racist" or "bigoted," for not advocating for the equal right of others to discriminate against them. Here, people who are advocating for mere equality for gay people are attacked as anti-straight.

White is now black, up is down, and day is night. At this point, the people who use the word "racist" are all racist people. So hiker has adapted this to use the word "discrimination" to advocate against people who advocate for equality. Nifty, but bizarre.

And if you advocate equal rights for LGBTs, you're "bigoted" against people who oppose equal rights. American conservatism is morally and intellectually bankrupt, and its entire political arsenal has been reduced to nothing but lies and fearmongering.

 

[McBell]

And if you advocate equal rights for LGBTs, you're "bigoted" against people who oppose equal rights. American conservatism is morally and intellectually bankrupt, and its entire political arsenal has been reduced to nothing but lies and fearmongering.

Ya, just wait til they call you a bigot because you are against lies and fearmongering....

 

[rojse]

Shouldn't whites and heteros get a month designated to them by the government to celebrate their race and orientation?

Yes or no.

Again, white history gets celebrated by default. The history I learnt at school, for example, was European history, and covered the deeds of caucasian people, with little thought given to those of other racial backgrounds.

 

[Alceste]

YouTube - Whiteness

Interesting clip. I can sort of see his point, since I'm a bit Taoish, and he's talking about a very Taoist principle - i.e. that ugliness arises when beauty is over-esteemed, etc. (Before anyone has an aneurysm, I'm talking about conceptual opposites in general, not saying some race is beautiful and some other race is ugly.)

From my perspective, this is a fundamental truth. Wealth breeds poverty. Misery breeds happiness. So this guy saying the idea of "whiteness" creates racial oppression makes sense to me. Part of me is going "Well what about the Irish, and the Poles", but I also see this is missing the point. He's not talking about actual whiteness, or people of European descent. (Let's face it. Nobody is white or black. We are all varying shades of brown.) He's talking about the concept of whiteness. In the case of the Irish, that would be the British, since they always depicted the Irish as less white. The Irish were dark, monkey-like creatures in all the British cartoons, so it's pretty clear the Brits thought they were "more white" than the Irish, and that idea made them feel justified for discriminatory and oppressive policies.

Even still, I'd need to hear him hold forth for a while longer and develop his ideas before I make up my mind whether or not I agree. That clip is obviously just looking for snippets that could make the neo-Nazis hysterical, provided they don't listen too closely and are quick to judge.

Anyway, with respect to Noah's "white heterosexual male history month", I say go for it. I've got no problem with it. I hope you don't mind if I pass on joining in the festivities, though. I don't think I'd like to be within three states of the type of people a thing like that would attract. On top of that, I already celebrated "white heterosexual male history month" for 12 consecutive years at school (Granted, I think we took a day off in about grade 11 to talk about Nellie McClung). I'm still trying to catch up on what has been going on with everybody else since the dawn of time.

 

[Alceste]

Again, white history gets celebrated by default. The history I learnt at school, for example, was European history, and covered the deeds of caucasian people, with little thought given to those of other racial backgrounds.

Heh - I see you beat me to it. Can you believe that when I grew up in Canada we didn't even touch on the horrific things the Europeans did to the First Nations people, and were still doing, like residential schools? We didn't touch on the Japanese internments either. But I DO know Eli Whitney invented something or other. Cotton gin was it? Whatever that is. Doesn't sound very tasty. They managed to stuff that useless piece of information into my head early on, before I learned to sleep through Social Studies until I was old enough to cut class.

 

[tomspug]

What a great month for Obama to support unequal rights for gay and lesbian couples!

The Associated Press: Gays decry Obama's stand on gay marriage case

 

[tumbleweed41]

What a great month for Obama to support unequal rights for gay and lesbian couples!

The Associated Press: Gays decry Obama's stand on gay marriage case

"Until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system,"
Department of Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler

LGBT and Equal Rights groups need to pressure the President to stand by his campaign promises to introduce legislation to repeal the DOMA.

 

[Smoke]

LGBT and Equal Rights groups need to pressure the President to stand by his campaign promises to introduce legislation to repeal the DOMA.

Obama has already made it clear that he has no intention of honoring his word. He has defended DADT and is now defending DOMA. I'm beginning to prefer the Republicans; at least they're honest about their contempt for gay citizens, unlike the Democrats who tell us to be proud while they're stabbing us in the back.

 

[Enlighten]

So I, as a white heterosexual, do not deserve recognition for my race and sexual orientation? We don't have a month or even a day. Would it not be fair to set aside a day or month where we could all celebrate the vast accomplishments of whites throughout history as well as great heterosexuals?

Why should you need this kind of day? Do you think people who are homosexual actually want this type of day rather than having EQUAL rights? I'm sure a poll would show completely the opposite to what you are implying.

Just to add, I as a heterosexual myself, NO we do not deserve recognition for our race and sexual orientation as we dont face the day to day cruelty that people who do not follow the "norm" get. "We" get the daily accomplishment of acceptance globally. Where do "we" see anti-straight campaigns?

 

[LittlePinky82]

If true good for him. Now let's get rid of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and the stupid "Defense of Marriage" act.