President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down.

[SkepticThinker]

A President can authorize the National Guard to temporarily report to and assist other government entities. He offer precisely that to Speaker Pelosi prior to January 6th. She refused the offer. She could have used the National Guard under her temporary control to prevent the chaos of January 6th. President Trump, by offering this use of the National Guard, demonstrated that he did NOT want the chaos and unrest that happened on January 6th.

Cool. . So how come Trump didn't call in the National Guard during the insurrection? He didn't need Pelosi's permission and he could clearly see what was going on, on television. Also, everyone around him was begging him to do something.
So how come he didn't call them? And wouldn't his NOT calling them indicate that, at the very least, he wasn't very upset about all the chaos unfolding before his eyes?

 

[tytlyf]

It seems esmith has ignored my advice for decades here at RF. That's the power of propaganda. It targets the vulnerable and conservative media has perfected the skill.

 

[Shaul]

Cool. . So how come Trump didn't call in the National Guard during the insurrection? He didn't need Pelosi's permission and he could clearly see what was going on, on television. Also, everyone around him was begging him to do something.
So how come he didn't call them? And wouldn't his NOT calling them indicate that, at the very least, he wasn't very upset about all the chaos unfolding before his eyes?

Because the President can't use the National Guard on the Capitol premises without the permission of the Capitol Police which is supervised by Congress. Furthermore if President Trump had used the National Guard in such a manner, THAT would have been evidence of fomenting insurrection. Re-read what you wrote. You are saying that his NOT using the military to seize control of the Capitol building is evidence of insurrection. That is absurd.

 

[Callisto]

Because the President can't use the National Guard on the Capitol premises without the permission of the Capitol Police which is supervised by Congress. Furthermore if President Trump had used the National Guard in such a manner, THAT would have been evidence of fomenting insurrection. Re-read what you wrote. You are saying that his NOT using the military to seize control of the Capitol building is evidence of insurrection. That is absurd.

Citation needed.

 

[Shaul]

It's not in the transcript referenced in the OP. Pelosi's name is not there, and it references Speaker of the House only once in the document as being the second in line of succession on page 121.

You are being disingenuous. As the OP states President Trump made the offer to Bowser, the Mayor, of 10,000 National Guard prior to January 6th. While Mr. Ornato didn't hear the separate offer by President Trump of the National Guard usage to the Capitol Police, that does NOT mean it hadn't been made. It confirms the offer to the Washington D.C. mayor. It also states that the Capitol Police attended the same planning meetings as the Washington D.C. officials where the offer of National Guard troops would have been made.

 

[Shaul]

Citation needed.

You can start with this, Our History

 

[Callisto]

You can start with this, Our History

It doesn't support your claim. Try again.

 

[crossfire]

You are being disingenuous. As the OP states President Trump made the offer to Bowser, the Mayor, of 10,000 National Guard prior to January 6th. While Mr. Ornato didn't hear the separate offer by President Trump of the National Guard usage to the Capitol Police, that does NOT mean it hadn't been made. It confirms the offer to the Washington D.C. mayor. It also states that the Capitol Police attended the same planning meetings as the Washington D.C. officials where the offer of National Guard troops would have been made.

The transcript referenced in the OP doesn't even suggest this. Rather, it suggests on pages 76 & 77 of the transcript that Trump wanted the National Guard so he could go with the crowd from the Ellipse to the Capitol building. I referenced this in post #16 earlier.

As for being disingenuous: none of these claims made in the OP article are supported by the referenced transcript.

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• From the OP article: "Mr. Ornato's testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along, President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down.
  
  
  The part that the article fails to mention is that Trump wanted the National Guard to provide security so he could go with the crowd from the Ellipse to the Capitol building, which was turned down by Security because such a trip only happens on Inauguration Day, and requires intricate planning for the Inauguration Day procession. Trump wanted this same type of trip to happen with very little time to prepare, and Trump's request was denied.

 

[esmith]

It seems esmith has ignored my advice for decades here at RF. That's the power of propaganda. It targets the vulnerable and conservative media has perfected the skill.

You know what you can do with your "advice?" don't you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because the President can't use the National Guard on the Capitol premises without the permission of the Capitol Police which is supervised by Congress.

Mike Pence was the person who ended up calling in the National Guard. Hmmm

Furthermore if President Trump had used the National Guard in such a manner, THAT would have been evidence of fomenting insurrection.

If he called in the National Guard to quell the insurrection, that would be evidence that he supports an insurrection? That doesn't make sense.

Re-read what you wrote. You are saying that his NOT using the military to seize control of the Capitol building is evidence of insurrection. That is absurd.

Not what I said.

By the way, this was my question to you: "So how come he didn't call them? And wouldn't his NOT calling them indicate that, at the very least, he wasn't very upset about all the chaos unfolding before his eyes?"

You seem to have answered a different question.

 

[metis]

Because the President can't use the National Guard on the Capitol premises without the permission of the Capitol Police which is supervised by Congress.

You seriously don't know what you're talking about, and I posted in a previous post on this thread addressed to you who and what was and is needed to be done so as to call out the N.G.

 

[Colt]

Seems that the Jan 6th committe withheld information concerning the Jan 6th riot.
Guess if you have a agenda the truth doesn't matter.
Of course if you have an agenda guess you will have a problem with the sources also

Chairman Loudermilk Publishes Never-Before Released Anthony Ornato Transcribed Interview

U.S. House of Representatives Committee on House Administration

cha.house.gov

But that doesn't matter, the Left likes the dishonest insurrection narrative as much as the Russian collusion narrative!

 

[SkepticThinker]

But that doesn't matter, the Left likes the dishonest insurrection narrative as much as the Russian collusion narrative!

There's a thread on this.

 

[metis]

But that doesn't matter, the Left likes the dishonest insurrection narrative as much as the Russian collusion narrative!

Obviously, you believe in what you want to believe minus any evidence. Maybe do some studying from multiple sources.

 

[Shaul]

You seriously don't know what you're talking about, and I posted in a previous post on this thread addressed to you who and what was and is needed to be done so as to call out the N.G.

The January 6th Special Committee report supports what I wrote.

 

[crossfire]

But that doesn't matter, the Left likes the dishonest insurrection narrative as much as the Russian collusion narrative!

The people whom you are referring to had absolutely nothing to do with what happened that January 6th, yet those who were actually involved in those events have been trying to blame the left for it from the get go. Talk about dishonest narrative here!

 

[Shaul]

Mike Pence was the person who ended up calling in the National Guard. Hmmm

No, that isn't true. The National Guard reports to the President, not the Vice President. The President approved the use of the National Guard the same hour it was requested by the Capitol Police.

If he called in the National Guard to quell the insurrection, that would be evidence that he supports an insurrection? That doesn't make sense.

At that time the Capitol Police had oversight of the security of the Capitol grounds. They had made no proclamation that an insurrection was happening and made no authorization for the National Guard to act. Any use of the National Guard troops on the Capitol before the Capitol Police requested and authorized them would have been argued to be an insurrection attempt. What doesn't make sense is you arguing the President Trump using the National Guard without authorization to storm the Capitol wouldn't be labeled as an insurrection by his opponents.

Not what I said.

By the way, this was my question to you: "So how come he didn't call them? And wouldn't his NOT calling them indicate that, at the very least, he wasn't very upset about all the chaos unfolding before his eyes?"

According to the January 6th Special Committee report the request for the National Guard was only made during a call at 2:30 and President Trump had authorized the National Guard to help the Capitol Police by 2:56.

"During a 2:30 p.m. call set up by HSEMA Director Rodriguez, the USCP specified the support they needed from the Guard. Mayor Bowser also made “two urgent requests of the President” that she communicated to Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.168 One was for the National Guard’s assistance. The other was that the President make a statement asking “people to leave, to leave the building and to get out of the city, to stop.”  At 2:56 p.m., Meadows told Mayor Bowser that the President “had approved the request” and was “going to make a statement.” "

It also states that Capitol Police Chief Rund did not get authorization from the Capitol Police Board (run by the Sergeant-at-Arms of the House and Senate, that is by proxy then Speaker of the House Pelosi) until 2:10 p.m. on January 6th.

President Trump responded promptly to the request for National Guard troops by the Capitol Police. The delays were the fault of Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Callisto]

No, that isn't true. The National Guard reports to the President, not the Vice President. The President approved the use of the National Guard the same hour it was requested by the Capitol Police.

At that time the Capitol Police had oversight of the security of the Capitol grounds. They had made no proclamation that an insurrection was happening and made no authorization for the National Guard to act. Any use of the National Guard troops on the Capitol before the Capitol Police requested and authorized them would have been argued to be an insurrection attempt. What doesn't make sense is you arguing the President Trump using the National Guard without authorization to storm the Capitol wouldn't be labeled as an insurrection by his opponents.

According to the January 6th Special Committee report the request for the National Guard was only made during a call at 2:30 and President Trump had authorized the National Guard to help the Capitol Police by 2:56.

"During a 2:30 p.m. call set up by HSEMA Director Rodriguez, the USCP specified the support they needed from the Guard. Mayor Bowser also made “two urgent requests of the President” that she communicated to Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.168 One was for the National Guard’s assistance. The other was that the President make a statement asking “people to leave, to leave the building and to get out of the city, to stop.”  At 2:56 p.m., Meadows told Mayor Bowser that the President “had approved the request” and was “going to make a statement.” "

It also states that Capitol Police Chief Rund did not get authorization from the Capitol Police Board (run by the Sergeant-at-Arms of the House and Senate, that is by proxy then Speaker of the House Pelosi) until 2:10 p.m. on January 6th.

President Trump responded promptly to the request for National Guard troops by the Capitol Police. The delays were the fault of Nancy Pelosi.

Wrong.

You do not know what you're talking about and choose to ignore information that's been spoon fed to you. Repeatedly. Trump had the power to order both the National Guard and the police and chose not to. There is no refuting that, it. is. fact. He sat on his arse and revelled in the violence.

Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Military Times.com

"'President Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day. And he made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets.'​

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The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to 'get the Guard down here, put down this situation.'”​

Timeline of National Guard Deployment to Capitol
Fact Check.org

"it was Vice President Mike Pence, not Trump, who approved deployment of the D.C. National Guard that afternoon. ... 'Trump initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard' and that the 'mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, among other officials.'"​

 

[metis]

The January 6th Special Committee report supports what I wrote.

Bull. See @Callisto post #38 to show you just how wrong you are and that you simply cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Colt]

The people whom you are referring to had absolutely nothing to do with what happened that January 6th, yet those who were actually involved in those events have been trying to blame the left for it from the get go. Talk about dishonest narrative here!

I don't buy the conspiracy that the Left actually orchestrated Jan 6, it was a riot by frustrated Trump supporters after 4 years of the Russian collusion hoax.....but I think that the politicians on Capitol Hill relished it and have exploited it as much as they could.