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President Trump Signs Sanction Bill

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Yes he has had problems with his staff, so what. Judgement in hiring them? A position has to be filled, you hire someone that appears to have what it takes to do the job then you find out you are wrong and you replace them. So what's the problem?
You do not think that consistently hiring unqualified people, or people who fail, is a problem? I'm not sure why you'd want to normalize such a thing; and to be clear, it's not normal to have this much turnover this quickly.

What happened to Trump's promise to hire the "best people" for his administration? Trump was warned by multiple people that Flynn was compromised and should not be trusted with sensitive material; he was hired anyway. Scaramouche had zero communications experience; he was hired as communications director. These aren't the "best people" who, through unforeseen misfortune, just ended up not working out; these were known problems from the get-go.

Basically, the only experience Trump brought to the White House was as a manager. The staff turnover, and poor staff picks in the first place, are evidence of poor management. Why do you excuse this?
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Because in infuriates the lefties.(not the hand type of course):)
This could mean a couple things:

1) you don't really believe what you are saying, but merely say it to get a rise out of people. This is literally the definition of a troll. Are you trolling?

2) you do believe there's no problem with Trump's staff turnover. Which leads us down 2 paths:
2a) you believe it because you really dont think it's a problem. Which means you haven't answered my question: why do you excuse this?
2b) we take you at your word: you believe this because it infuriates liberals. Which means that you are okay with incompetence as long as it makes people you don't like unhappy.

Really, all the options suck here. Either you are a troll, you excuse incompetence, or you are fine with your country crashing and burning for selfish satisfaction.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
This could mean a couple things:

1) you don't really believe what you are saying, but merely say it to get a rise out of people. This is literally the definition of a troll. Are you trolling?

2) you do believe there's no problem with Trump's staff turnover. Which leads us down 2 paths:
2a) you believe it because you really dont think it's a problem. Which means you haven't answered my question: why do you excuse this?
2b) we take you at your word: you believe this because it infuriates liberals. Which means that you are okay with incompetence as long as it makes people you don't like unhappy.

Really, all the options suck here. Either you are a troll, you excuse incompetence, or you are fine with your country crashing and burning for selfish satisfaction.

Point 1} Nope just being frivolous. Need a little humor now and then :D
Point 2) No I do not believe there is a problem. The staff he let go did not meet his expectations and that is his right. That a good enough answer for you? If it isn't I'm sorry that's all you are going to get.

An the last of your points. May suck to you but I'm fine with them. I do not see the country crashing except for those that still have an issue with the outcome of the election and are attempting to crash the country by any means possible.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Because in infuriates the lefties.(not the hand type of course):)
It doesn't infuriate democrats, did GOP media tell you that? That's your first mistake.
It isn't democrats that are leaking, it's Reince Priebus. But now that he's gone, you'll notice the republicans continue with the 'leaks problem' when there are no new leaks since Reince is gone.

Republicans are sabotaging Trump because they don't like him. Democrats have nothing to do with it. You'll learn soon enough to not trust anything you hear from your fake news sources.

The strange case of Fox News, Trump and the death of young Democrat Seth Rich
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Point 1} Nope just being frivolous. Need a little humor now and then :D
Point 2) No I do not believe there is a problem. The staff he let go did not meet his expectations and that is his right. That a good enough answer for you? If it isn't I'm sorry that's all you are going to get.

An the last of your points. May suck to you but I'm fine with them. I do not see the country crashing except for those that still have an issue with the outcome of the election and are attempting to crash the country by any means possible.
So, my question still stands: Why are you excusing incompetence? You did not address the fact that he is choosing people without experience or who are known to have issues.

Trump has a historically high staff turnover rate. How does this not reflect on him, as the manager?

Do you believe that he is living up to his promise to hire only the best? If he was, then why are so many people obviously not?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Trump has a historically high staff turnover rate. How does this not reflect on him, as the manager?
Maybe he still thinks he's on "The Apprentice", so saying "You're Fired!" is just second nature to him?

BTW, the one firing he may really come to regret firing is Flynn, partially because Trump ultimately trashed him, although reluctantly, and Flynn seems to know maybe about some of Trump's possible Russian connections and why Trump can't leave his bromance with Putin. Flynn has offered to testify, although only if he can strike some sort of deal.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
So, my question still stands: Why are you excusing incompetence? You did not address the fact that he is choosing people without experience or who are known to have issues.

Trump has a historically high staff turnover rate. How does this not reflect on him, as the manager?

Do you believe that he is living up to his promise to hire only the best? If he was, then why are so many people obviously not?
To tell you the truth I really don't care since there is nothing I can do about it and I don't think it is a problem.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
To tell you the truth I really don't care since there is nothing I can do about it and I don't think it is a problem.
You are an American citizen. Elected officials answer to you. If we all just ignore incompetence because there's "nothing we can do" then what motivation do our government officials have to be better?

Not to mention, I'm sure you were willing to criticize Obama, despite such criticism "doing nothing."

And while incompetence in hiring might not be a "big deal", it is evidence of the dysfunction of the Trunp White House and certainly raises questions as to how they will be able to deal with major issues if they can't even get their own administration in order.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
You are an American citizen. Elected officials answer to you. If we all just ignore incompetence because there's "nothing we can do" then what motivation do our government officials have to be better?
You do realize don't you that the election is over and unless the President commits an impeachable act he will remain President until his term is over or he resigns. So just what do you propose to do, other than complain that is.

Not to mention, I'm sure you were willing to criticize Obama, despite such criticism "doing nothing."
Sure I criticized the Obama, but that is all I could do. At the present time I have no criticism of President Trump in his handling of the Office of the President, he is doing what I voted for him to do.

And while incompetence in hiring might not be a "big deal", it is evidence of the dysfunction of the Trunp White House and certainly raises questions as to how they will be able to deal with major issues if they can't even get their own administration in order.
That in itself is nothing more than opinion.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Sure I criticized the Obama, but that is all I could do. At the present time I have no criticism of President Trump in his handling of the Office of the President, he is doing what I voted for him to do.
What is he doing that you voted for him to do? Don't dodge the question like usual. Everything Trump is doing is anti-American. And you support that, and you support Russia. Very dangerous voters. Mostly because you're oblivious of what is going on (your media fault). You fell for a confidence man and his lies and false promises, nothing to be proud of. You must be one of the 30% of people who approve of Trump. Maybe you'll hang on to him when he reaches 20%. That says more about you than you know.

Low information voters are dangerous. Sad time to be a Trump supporter in America. America isn't blaming Trump, but the people who fell for the performance. Ever seen crowds at a Trump rally? Nothing to be proud of
 

esmith

Veteran Member
What is he doing that you voted for him to do? Don't dodge the question like usual. Everything Trump is doing is anti-American. And you support that, and you support Russia. Very dangerous voters. Mostly because you're oblivious of what is going on (your media fault). You fell for a confidence man and his lies and false promises, nothing to be proud of. You must be one of the 30% of people who approve of Trump. Maybe you'll hang on to him when he reaches 20%. That says more about you than you know.

Low information voters are dangerous. Sad time to be a Trump supporter in America. America isn't blaming Trump, but the people who fell for the performance. Ever seen crowds at a Trump rally? Nothing to be proud of
You know what opinions are like don't you? And the above is nothing more than an opinion
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
You know what opinions are like don't you? And the above is nothing more than an opinion
An informed opinion is better than an ignorant one. There's a reason Trump supporters are not supporting him anymore. You'll be one of the last in the pack, because you rely on Fake News for information. That's OK, but it's hurting this country and you don't care.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Yeah just that, you are making an assumption in that statement.


Yes he has had problems with his staff, so what. Judgement in hiring them? A position has to be filled, you hire someone that appears to have what it takes to do the job then you find out you are wrong and you replace them. So what's the problem
Making assumptions again aren't we. How do you know how his son was raised.
When and if more "stuff" comes out that is proven then we make a judgement. Until then nothing be speculation and as the @Revoltingest said "Partisan politics is always at play."

At play, of course. But every president in history has been judged by the actions of his staff. And we aren't talking some clerk working for the ways and means committee. We are talking the two people closest to the president having a meeting with Russians.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
You do realize don't you that the election is over and unless the President commits an impeachable act he will remain President until his term is over or he resigns. So just what do you propose to do, other than complain that is.

Sure I criticized the Obama, but that is all I could do.
You are being hypocritical. If you can criticize Obama, you can criticize Trump. Your whole song and dance about it being pointless is just an excuse and not an actual explanation for why you don't criticize Trump.

At the present time I have no criticism of President Trump in his handling of the Office of the President, he is doing what I voted for him to do.
Even if Trump is doing things you approve of, how does that excuse the things that he is obviously bad at-- like managing his administration and hiring competent staff members?

Again, why do you excuse incompetence?
That in itself is nothing more than opinion.
It is rational to assume that someone will be incompetent in a crisis when he is incompetent at the most basic aspects of his job-- the aspect that he ostensibly has most experience in.
 

garden47

Member
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Trump was forced to sign the sanctions bill because it received bipartisan support in the House (422-3) and the Senate (98-2).

Despite referring to it as "unconstitutional," those are majorities that would override any presidential veto and reflect the desire by congressional Republicans to tie the President's hands when it comes to making Russian foreign policy.

Unfortunately Congress went on their August break without tying "The Donald's" hands when it comes to starting a war with North Korea.
 
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