Pretty simple thought experiment on these family separations

[1137]

As a social worker I can tell you most kids are upset at separation. I have a moral thought experiment here. Take a young baby away from a drug dealing, domestically violent parent about to go to jail, and the kid will cry their eyes out. Does this mean we should simply send the child to jail, or leave the drug dealer on the street, since the child is upset? What if he's a molestor, leave him on the streets? A thief? How does the crime at all effect the situation of a child not being sent to jail, and a criminal not being free. I mean sending a child to prison or leaving a criminal on the streets just because the child was upset... that's honestly way more disgusting than performing a necessary evil so a child can have a life.

 

[Quetzal]

Is this a round-about way to address the current concentration camp internment camp child prison "holding center" in Texas?

 

[Jumi]

What if the child has both parents and they're not that bad people?

 

[joe1776]

I'll agree with your thoughts. However, if you are implying that the situation you described has any bearing at all on the current situation in the news which has children being separated from their parents, then I don't see how.

 

[Estro Felino]

What if the child has both parents and they're not that bad people?

If they migrate illegally, it means they cannot support them, to begin with.

 

[1137]

Is this a round-about way to address the current concentration camp internment camp child prison "holding center" in Texas?

You mean the old photos and videos going around from the Obama era? Sadly child's services get very little money, and that's including for citizens. The departments are messes and they have to do what they can with the resources they have. There are two people to blame: parents for coming illegally and the states for underfunding child welfare. None ifthis effects the question of separation.

What if the child has both parents and they're not that bad people?

"Bad" is subjective and doesn't play a role, it's whether or not laws are broken.

I'll agree with your thoughts. However, if you are implying that the situation you described has any bearing at all on the current situation in the news which has children being separated from their parents, then I don't see how.

You don't see how separating kids from parents who commit illegal acts effect the issue of illegal immigration???

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I mean sending a child to prison or leaving a criminal on the streets just because the child was upset... that's honestly way more disgusting than performing a necessary evil so a child can have a life.

Here's a thought experiment: what kind of depraved, desparate equivalencies would prompt someone to author such a despicable post?

 

[Kirran]

If they migrate illegally, it means they cannot support them, to begin with.

There are around 12 million residents in the USA who have arrived in the country illegally, two-thirds of whom have been there for a decade or more. These people are employed, are making money, have homes, and are raising their children. Around 8% of children born in the USA in 2008 were born to illegal immigrants. In 2009, about 4 million US-born children of illegal immigrants were living in the USA (along with 1.1 foreign-born children of illegal immigrants).

That does not sound like a demographic which necessarily is unable to support children.

It also sounds like one the USA would struggle if it were to drive out!

 

[joe1776]

You don't see how separating kids from parents who commit illegal acts effect the issue of illegal immigration???

I do not because I draw a distinction between immoral and illegal. The parents who want to come to the USA want a better life for their children. It's the same reason my ancestors came here. To separate these families is cruel.

 

[sayak83]

As a social worker I can tell you most kids are upset at separation. I have a moral thought experiment here. Take a young baby away from a drug dealing, domestically violent parent about to go to jail, and the kid will cry their eyes out. Does this mean we should simply send the child to jail, or leave the drug dealer on the street, since the child is upset? What if he's a molestor, leave him on the streets? A thief? How does the crime at all effect the situation of a child not being sent to jail, and a criminal not being free. I mean sending a child to prison or leaving a criminal on the streets just because the child was upset... that's honestly way more disgusting than performing a necessary evil so a child can have a life.

Currently what US is doing is in the Hitler and Stalin territory. If you can't see that, then I pity you.

 

[Quetzal]

You mean the old photos and videos going around from the Obama era?

You know this isn't what I mean. Clever dodge of a question you refuse to answer. Party over country, eh?

 

[Kirran]

Is anyone doing anything about this in the USA? Are there big protests outside the camp, is there any kind of boycotting, anything like that?

 

[Quetzal]

Is anyone doing anything about this in the USA? Are there big protests outside the camp, is there any kind of boycotting, anything like that?

Organizations are trying. But the administration is intentionally creating confusion to muddle the facts and distract attention. It is pretty sinister, really.

 

[Estro Felino]

That does not sound like a demographic which necessarily is unable to support children.

A state has rules...it cannot condone anarchy.
If you want to immigrate, there are rules.

That said...I don't agree with separation as deterrent...but illegals do commit a crime .
Lex dura, sed lex

 

[Kirran]

Organizations are trying. But the administration is intentionally creating confusion to muddle the facts and distract attention. It is pretty sinister, really.

Utterly bizarre. Is the reason for this to try and pay something back to the anti-immigrant crowd who got the current administration elected, or something?

 

[Kirran]

A state has rules...it cannot condone anarchy.
If you want to immigrate, there are rules.

Fine, OK, but now you're switching subject.

What on Earth about any of this justifies tearing young children from their parents I don't see.

 

[Quetzal]

Utterly bizarre. Is the reason for this to try and pay something back to the anti-immigrant crowd who got the current administration elected, or something?

It is all motivated by cleverly disguised racism. They scream it is about enforcing law but it's all crap. This has been a plan from the beginning for Trump and company. See here:

Trump admin planned on separating families since inauguration

 

[tytlyf]

As a social worker I can tell you most kids are upset at separation. I have a moral thought experiment here. Take a young baby away from a drug dealing, domestically violent parent about to go to jail, and the kid will cry their eyes out. Does this mean we should simply send the child to jail, or leave the drug dealer on the street, since the child is upset? What if he's a molestor, leave him on the streets? A thief? How does the crime at all effect the situation of a child not being sent to jail, and a criminal not being free. I mean sending a child to prison or leaving a criminal on the streets just because the child was upset... that's honestly way more disgusting than performing a necessary evil so a child can have a life.

There are already measures in place for citizens. Foster care, adoption, CPS, etc. It's different when people aren't citizens..

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

..., and are raising massive numbers of children.

From "Yellow Peril" to "Brown Peril" in one frenetic dance down the path of xenophobic tribalism.

 

[Kirran]

From "Yellow Peril" to "Brown Peril" in one frenetic dance down the path of xenophobic tribalism.

I meant it in the other direction. I was saying, actually, "illegal" immigrants are already managing to raise plenty of children. There's no reason to believe they are unfit parents. I think the border restrictions between the USA and Latin America could do with plenty of loosening.

I have Latino heritage myself, if that's of any relevance.

EDIT: I see how the wording did sound a little alarmist, if taken out of context. I changed it.