Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Alright then. If that is true, then the day after pill does not abort anything. Not sure what our pro-lifers think with their obsession for conception and such.

So, lets move to 10 days. Any problems with that?

Ciao

- viole

I have found that pro-lifers seem to think that once the magical sperm hits the equally magical ovum, that instantly a fully-formed tiny little human being appears.

Replete with a tiny human soul.

And has microscopic fingers, toes, organs, the whole bit....

And, like a miniature Aquaman? Swims by pumping it's tiny arms and legs, to find a Magical Home in the welcoming Uterus-- not unlike a Magical Garden.

Or something very much like that scenario...

It'd be laughable, except that they are seriously intent on punishing women stopping all abortions--even the ones they only imagine.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then why the projection that I am am angry? I do enjoy writing, with an emotional style, and I do get excited on occasion.

But angry? When I get angry, I log off and go do something else-- being angry isn't healthy. It's better to remove yourself from the source of all that anger.

Alas, if only our "leadership" in Washington could do as well...

I may have used wrong words, and that is maybe lack of english language knowledge I do not see you as a angry person, but some of your messages could be seen as if you was angry.

 

[crossfire]

Alright then. If that is true, then the day after pill does not abort anything. Not sure what our pro-lifers think with their obsession for conception and such.

So, lets move to 10 days. Any problems with that?

Ciao

- viole

This could be accomplished simply by inducing normal menstruation--a woman has not missed her first period yet.

 

[viole]

I have found that pro-lifers seem to think that once the magical sperm hits the equally magical ovum, that instantly a fully-formed tiny little human being appears.

Replete with a tiny human soul.

And has microscopic fingers, toes, organs, the whole bit....

And, like a miniature Aquaman? Swims by pumping it's tiny arms and legs, to find a Magical Home in the welcoming Uterus-- not unlike a Magical Garden.

Or something very much like that scenario...

It'd be laughable, except that they are seriously intent on punishing women stopping all abortions--even the ones they only imagine.

Well, and that is exactly why atheists are so interested to debunk such superstitions. Because they affect my rights on account of imaginary beings like gods and souls.

By the way, if all kids embryos etc, get a risk free ticket to an eternity of bliss, what is the problem? I believe that under that premise, it would be highly moral to abort.

Ciao

- viole

 

[The Reverend Bob]

This is not my desire. My desire is to save the unborn.

Save them from what?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Biology?

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Yes... just like a piglet.


OMG - THUMBS

That is not an ultrasound

 

[columbus]

I have found that pro-lifers seem to think that once the magical sperm hits the equally magical ovum, that instantly a fully-formed tiny little human being appears.

What a ridiculous strawman.

Gametes aren't magical, they're a fairly well understood fact of our biology. And every human being begins when two merge to form a new individual, an individual who ends at death.
Tom

 

[Terry Sampson]

Ironically? I have run into the oddball atheist, who firmly believes there are such things as "souls".
Being an atheist simply means no belief in god(s). Souls are quite another matter, it would seem..

Interesting. So did those "oddball" atheists believe that their souls (a) begin to exist at conception and/or (b) survive death (i.e. continue to exist somewhere in the Cosmos?

 

[shmogie]

Can be discussed, but I will take it at face value.

So, nothing against abortion if it is done, say, one day after conception?

Ciao

- viole

Morally, I believe life begins at conception. However, I have no right to demand that anyone adhere to my moral position.

Legally, one cannot kill another person. A clump of non specialized cells is extremely difficult to justify as a person.

After the first trimester, the baby is obviously human, a person. As a person, it has guaranteed rights, the primary one being the right to life.

So, my legal position would be abortion on demand for the first three months of the pregnancy, none after that except for direct, documented, certified threats to the mothers health or life.

90 days to slaughter at will seems more than adequate.

 

[viole]

Morally, I believe life begins at conception. However, I have no right to demand that anyone adhere to my moral position.

Legally, one cannot kill another person. A clump of non specialized cells is extremely difficult to justify as a person.

After the first trimester, the baby is obviously human, a person. As a person, it has guaranteed rights, the primary one being the right to life.

So, my legal position would be abortion on demand for the first three months of the pregnancy, none after that except for direct, documented, certified threats to the mothers health or life.

90 days to slaughter at will seems more than adequate.

Well, then I have no issue with you, since you seem to keep your beliefs separate from secular law.

Anyway, technically, you do not need to believe that human life begins at conception. That is a biological fact, I believe. However, human life does not entail personhood automatically.

Ciao

- viole

 

[shmogie]

I sincerely wish that people who oppose elective abortions would get better educated about what Planned Parenthood actually does in the 21st century.

PP not only delivers women's healthcare without regard for ability to pay, they prevent more crisis pregnancies and therefore more abortions than all the preaching and "abstinence only" education ever done.

If you really oppose irresponsible heterosex and the abortions that result, or the badly raised kids, or the taxpayers dollars spent supporting those kids,

SUPPORT PLANNED PARENTHOOD!

They actually prevent abortions, instead of just talking about punishing people afterwards.
Tom

Planned parenthood is simply an abortion mill. It does, in some places, at certain times provide some other services, but itś foundation has always been abortion.

 

[crossfire]

Planned parenthood is simply an abortion mill. It does, in some places, at certain times provide some other services, but itś foundation has always been abortion.

Planned Parenthood in Washington State did not start providing abortions until 1990. Before that they referred those needing abortions out to private providers. They started out providing pap smears, breast cancer screening, and birth control in the late 1960's, which they still provide.

 

[Kenny]

That is not an ultrasound

That's your answer for an actual display of what 4 months look like?

BIOOOOLOGY!

 

[columbus]

Planned parenthood is simply an abortion mill. It does, in some places, at certain times provide some other services, but itś foundation has always been abortion.

This is flat out wrong.
I sincerely wish that people who oppose elective abortions would get better educated about what Planned Parenthood actually does.
I know people who work at PP, and they generally view an abortion as a failure of PP to reach their goal.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Planned Parenthood in Washington State did not start providing abortions until 1990. Before that they referred those needing abortions out to private providers. They started out providing pap smears, breast cancer screening, and birth control in the late 1960's, which they still provide.

That's about the same time that the Indiana PP started. The main reason was that the abortion providers were pretty bad, generally. Too much like that horror in Philadelphia.
Tom

 

[The Reverend Bob]

That's your answer for an actual display of what 4 months look like?

BIOOOOLOGY!

That isn't BIOOOOLOGY it's Photoshop

 

[Kenny]

That isn't BIOOOOLOGY it's Photoshop

LOL... Yes, I think that is called flat-earth thinking on your part. b

 

[PureX]

This is not my desire. My desire is to save the unborn.

Save them from what?

 

[columbus]

Save them from what?

Death.
How hard is that?
Tom

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Save them from what?

I keep asking them that question!