The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
So they can live a life of suffering and then die anyway? You want them to suffer? How is that compassionate?
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Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth
- Thread starter tigrers2019
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We're all going to suffer and die.
It's the other stuff that makes life worth living.
And protecting.
Tom
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
The other stuff? Like your toys? Do you realize most children born into this world do not get "the other stuff" whatever that is, they just suffer for all their lives. You want to force women to bring children into this suffering world that is going to **** minute by minute. That isn't compassion my friend, it is callousness
Dang.
That's one painfully simplistic ideological view of the human situation.
Tom
PureX
Veteran Member
We will all die. You aren't saving anyone from that.
But we don't all die because someone chose to kill us.
That's the moral issue. Dying is one thing, choosing death for another human being is quite different.
Tom
PureX
Veteran Member
If this was about 'saving babies' there would be organizations offering to pay the medical bills of women with unwanted pregnancies. There would be offers to take and raise the child if she'll birth it. There would be every effort made to promote contraception to avoid the unwanted pregnancies in the first place. But there isn't ANY of that going on. All that's going on is the endless, merciless desire to PUNISH the pregnant woman for having "irresponsible sex" by forcing her to gestate a baby in her womb that happened as a result of her 'transgression'. It's all about punishing the mother. And nothing about respecting the welfare of her or her child.
This is why I don't believe the pro-lifers when they claim they are trying to "save babies". Because that isn't what I ever see any of them actually doing. All I ever see any of them actually doing is trying to punish the mother by making her gestate and birth a child she does not want. And I think the reason they want this so badly is entirely punitive, not 'life affirming'.
This is why I don't believe the pro-lifers when they claim they are trying to "save babies". Because that isn't what I ever see any of them actually doing. All I ever see any of them actually doing is trying to punish the mother by making her gestate and birth a child she does not want. And I think the reason they want this so badly is entirely punitive, not 'life affirming'.
Keep telling us more about what pro-lifers think instead of actually listening to what pro-lifers think, it's so enlightening I love it.
PureX
Veteran Member
A fetus isn't a human being, yet. It's only a potential human being. At some point in the process it will become a human being, but if that process is not allowed to reach that stage, stopping the process is not "killing a human being". It's just stopping the process that might otherwise result in a human being.
It's important that we be both honest and clear about what we can know, and what we cannot know. Pretending we are "saving someone's life" when we have no idea what life they might have had, if any, is delusional. Just as stopping the gestation process that may have eventually resulted in a human being is not "killing a human being", or "ending a human life". It's just stopping one form possibly happening.
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PureX
Veteran Member
I'm just telling you what I see, and what I don't see, and what these cause me to think.
I know.
I changed the description to make it insulting.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
No, it is not wrong.
I suggest you actually look at what PP offers to most rural women.
They do not have the equipment or staff to provide anything but birth control, very basic health screening, and abortions.
Any testing, like mammograms, etc. they refer to other facilities.
This is absolutely wrong, as any biology text that covers "lifecycle of a primate" will explain to you.
The fetal human being might not have reached the stage of development that your arbitrary and subjective opinion deems a person. But that isn't the same thing. S/he is most definitely a human and a being.
Tom
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It is "the human situation", we all suffer and we all die.
But we don't all choose to create, and then kill, our own progeny.
Tom
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Preventing the unborn from suffering in this world is no sin. The sin lies in those who presume that life is always good. Life is suffering and to enjoin and force another into that suffering is the sin. It is the epitome of imperfection. The greatest of all sins that humanity has created is not murder but to bring life into a suffering world.
I don't care what you mean by, or think about, sin. It doesn't matter to me.
Life, the joys and the suffering, are what matters.
Tom
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Of course life matters but you have to be honest about it (which you won't be), you have to be honest that most people who are born will not be able to experience the joy but will only suffer. You sit on your high throne of "joy" and you are judging them when all they do is suffer.
Well, Bless Your Heart.
Tom
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
I agree to 100% -- that is the logical conclusion of their beliefs.
Unfortunately, logic is not something these people are aware of, nor is it something they can use effectively.
It's purely an emotional issue with most religious folk.
Ironically? The first time one of their own offspring comes home with an unexpected pregnancy, suddenly it's all "where is the nearest abortion doctor?"