Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth

[shmogie]

Do I support capital punishment? It depends. Not always.

I very firm, unambiguous statement, it depends.

 

[Audie]

Do I support capital punishment? It depends. Not always.

Only when there is no possibility of making a mistake?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

If you can show me the bright line distinction between a
baby and a fetus, go for it.

Personhood. I know the concept of person is debatable but a fetus isn't a person but a child out of the womb is.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Only when there is no possibility of making a mistake?

That and other reasons. Sometimes it isn't necessary or pragmatic

 

[Terry Sampson]

Maybe some day it will no longer be an issue,...

Till then, Aegon says:

 

[Brickjectivity]

There is a tremendous difference in the two meanings. The diffetence is seen after the birth occurs and into childhood. The politicians are getting closer to the Death Penalty for abortion providers and some states have jail time on the books for the woman getting the abortion.
Look closer at how these states allocate funds for those born into poverty. It pretty much says it all.

This is a political fad which will have to play out. Then you will be able to make a compromise, but currently there can be no compromise.

 

[Audie]

Till then, Aegon says:

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Well yeah, there is that.

 

[columbus]

Personhood.

Why would I take you as the arbitrator of which human being qualifies as having personhood and which human being does not?

You rather remind me of the 19th century US slavers who didn't think that black human beings qualified for personhood. Or natives.

"Personhood" is such a subjective term that people often use it to justify killing human beings that they don't find convenient for their ideology.

Tom

 

[Terry Sampson]

Personhood. I know the concept of person is debatable ....

Under U.S. law, "person" is a movable goalpost. Outside the law, hand-to-hand combat decides where the goalpost should be.

 

[Audie]

That and other reasons. Sometimes it isn't necessary or pragmatic

Many innocent people have gone to their
execution with no chance that they were not
guilty.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a tremendous difference in the two meanings.

Almost everyone knows this.
But some people get hung up on taking words literally & broadly.
"Pro-life" is just a label for being anti-abortion.
This is just as a "2 by 4" isn't 2 by 4 inches, but every carpenter knows what it means.

 

[Audie]

Personhood. I know the concept of person is debatable but a fetus isn't a person but a child out of the womb is.

You get to invent your own definitions?
You simply made that up, an arbitrary and capricious
distinction with no basis in reality.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Why would I take you as the arbitrator of which human being qualifies as having personhood and which human being does not?

You rather remind me of the 19th century US slavers who didn't think that black human beings qualified for personhood. Or natives.

"Personhood" is such a subjective term that people often use it to justify killing human beings that they don't find convenient for their ideology.

Tom

You can't compare the plight of the slave to that of unborn fetuses.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

You get to invent your own definitions?
You simply made that up, an arbitrary and capricious
distinction with no basis in reality.

I pretty much use the dictionary when it comes to defining terms.

 

[columbus]

You can't compare the plight of the slave to that of unborn fetuses.

Oh yes I can.

They are all human beings.

Perhaps you should google "lifecycle of a primate", so you can see for yourself what biologists say.
Tom

 

[Terry Sampson]

This is just as a "2 by 4" isn't 2 by 4 inches, but every carpenter knows what it means.

It ain't??? Dang! No wonder I keep coming up short.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Oh yes I can.

They are all human beings.

Perhaps you should google "lifecycle of a primate", so you can see for yourself what biologists say.
Tom

Does a fetus have volition and self-awareness? Is it capable of making decisions? Does it act on its own? Does it even know it is in a womb?

 

[Revoltingest]

It ain't??? Dang! No wonder I keep coming up short.

You just need some carpentry training.
Here's an instructive video....

 

[Spirit of Light]

Does a fetus have volition and self-awareness? Is it capable of making decisions? Does it act on its own? Does it even know it is in a womb?

A baby in mothers womb react to sound touch and it remember this voices when it get born so yes they can think, feel. it does not just happen in the moment it get born that it suddenly start to hear, smell, see and feel.
at week 18 of the pregnancy the hearing is developed

 

[Revoltingest]

You get to invent your own definitions?
You simply made that up, an arbitrary and capricious
distinction with no basis in reality.

Not in reality, but it does have a basis in the law.