Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth

[columbus]

Not in reality, but it does have a basis in the law.

So did lynching black people.
Tom

 

[Terry Sampson]

Does a fetus have volition and self-awareness? Is it capable of making decisions? Does it act on its own? Does it even know it is in a womb?

You do realize, don't you? ... that volition, self-awareness, making decisions, acting on its own, and even knowing it is in a womb, are irrelevant. Animals have all that and have long been disposable throughout the U.S. The real question is: When does it have a soul?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

A baby in mothers womb react to sound touch and it remember this voices when it get born so yes they can think, feel. it does not just happen in the moment it get born that it suddenly start to hear, smell, see and feel.

That is not proof of self-awareness or agency but only that of a nervous system developing. Flatworms react to touch and sound but I don't consider them persons.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

You do realize, don't you? ... that volition, self-awareness, making decisions, acting on its own, and even knowing it is in a womb, are irrelevant. Animals have all that and have long been disposable throughout the U.S. The real question is: When does it have a soul?

You're barking up the wrong tree here. I don't believe in such an entity as a soul

 

[Spirit of Light]

That is not proof of self-awareness or agency but only that of a nervous system developing. Flatworms react to touch and sound but I don't consider them persons.

So when in your view does it become a life?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Sowhen in your view does it become a life?

It's alive but I don't believe it is a person and that is not to say I don't believe that a human fetus isn't human, it is human but not a human person, it is not an individual yet

 

[Terry Sampson]

I don't believe in such an entity as a soul

Not a problem for me. Now, are you pro-choice or pro-life?

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's alive but I don't believe it is a person and that is not to say I don't believe that a human fetus isn't human, it is human but not a human person, it is not an individual yet

So when does it become a individual? and what is the criteria for it to be a life?

 

[Kenny]

There is a tremendous difference in the two meanings. The diffetence is seen after the birth occurs and into childhood. The politicians are getting closer to the Death Penalty for abortion providers and some states have jail time on the books for the woman getting the abortion.
Look closer at how these states allocate funds for those born into poverty. It pretty much says it all.

The Jewish religious leaders in the time of Jesus who behaved the same way as our Republican politicians of today, also clocked their evil behaviour in righteousness.

Pro-Choice really means Pro-death

There is a tremendous difference in the two meanings. The difference is seen in the laws that are on the books. The politicians are getting closer to selling the parts of the baby after abortion--or are they already doing that?

Look closer at how these states allocate funds for those doctors in the abortion business and born into riches. It pretty much says it all.

The Natzis leaders in the time of WWII who behaved the same way as our Democratic politicians of today, also clocked their evil behaviour in righteousness.

Now... if that sounds like I'm crazy... then you got the message!

 

[viole]

Why shouldn´t a baby be described as a baby ? Oh, the other sounds so much more clinical and innocuous, got it.

Consider a one hour old fetus. That is just a bunch of cells.

A bunch of cells is not a baby. After one hour of conception you would not be able to differentiate that bunch from the bunch of cells of an amoeba.

Ciao

- viole

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Not a problem for me. Now, are you pro-choice or pro-life?

I am pro-women have a right to body autonomy

 

[The Reverend Bob]

So when does it become a individual? and what is the criteria for it to be a life?

I never said a fetus isn't alive. It's alive unless it is not. It becomes an individual when it is out of its mother's womb and takes its first breath.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I never said a fetus isn't alive. It's alive unless it is not. It becomes an individual when it is out of its mother's womb and takes its first breath.

So until the baby is out of the mothers womb, there is no individual? even the same baby has been in the mothers womb for 9 months? But there is or is not a lifeform ??

 

[Gandalf]

What so many fail to see is that we shouldn't rely on policy makers to provide form the poor. I volunteer and feed the poor with no hair of my own and this is when I was poor. So few people wanna walk on the streets yet they think somehow politicians will.
We always want uncle Sam to gimme money but never do we contribute. Taxes go to nothing and we look at Democrats having heroin needles provided to the poor and take pride in ourselves

 

[The Reverend Bob]

So until the baby is out of the mothers womb, there is no individual? even the same baby has been in the mothers womb for 9 months? But there is or is not a lifeform ??

I never said a fetus isn't a lifeform. How many times do I have to repeat that? And yes when the offspring is out of her mother's womb and she takes her first breath she is an individual.

 

[viole]

So until the baby is out of the mothers womb, there is no individual? even the same baby has been in the mothers womb for 9 months? But there is or is not a lifeform ??

Hej
Well, there is a big difference between a one hour old fetus and a nine months old fetus.

Do you agree that aborting a one hour old fetus is less of a problem?

And what about the day after pill, where you do not even know if you are disposing some duplicating human cells or not?

Ciao

- viole

 

[pearl]

Frankly, I can´t find anywhere in the Constitution where this general kill order is found.

Justice Scalia agreed. 'the Constitution does not speak to abortion." And if Roe v Wade were challenged he would not have voted to overturn it for the same reason. He believed the issue should be voted on in a democracy and felt that it was an issue for the states to decide.

 

[Audie]

I pretty much use the dictionary when it comes to defining terms.

Would you be satisfied that its ok to have
killed you the day before you were born, coz
you were not a person?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hej
Well, there is a big difference between a one hour old fetus and a nine months old fetus.

Do you agree that aborting a one hour old fetus is less of a problem?

And what about the day after pill, where you do not even know if you are disposing some duplicating human cells or not?

Ciao

- viole

No All form of abortion is in my understanding against the law of dhamma. I do not judge those woman who do chose to take abortion, because they can have their reasons. But as a buddhist i would say it is not a moral rightroues thing to do. But again, i can not say what other should say or mean.

 

[Audie]

Not in reality, but it does have a basis in the law.

Definitions include that a person can be dead
and come back to life, and, you know, that thing about
corporations as persons.