Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth

[Bob the Unbeliever]

So did lynching black people.
Tom

The principle difference? Black people can actually live on their own-- without needing a direct parasitic attachment to someone's blood supply....

 

[Spirit of Light]

Only deep into the pregnancy. Attempting to conflate the entire 9 months into the conditions of the last 2?

Is disingenuous and manipulative. But that's the stock-and-trade of Anti-Women/Anti-Choice, isn't it?

I have nothing againt Woman or choices, But i see killing in general as a wrong deed

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Pro-Choice really means Pro-death.

100% false-- you got that exactly backwards-- the anti-choice/anti-women crowd?

Are just as likely Pro Death Penalty-- even if mistakes can be made.

They are also anti-welfare, anti-food programs, anti universal medical care.

Let Those Unwanted Kids DIE already-- they are BORN, so Anti-Choicers don't care about them anymore.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I have nothing againt Woman or choices, But i see killing in general as a wrong deed

So you are a strict vegan, but only eat highly processed food that is 100% artificial in origin?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

if a baby dies a natural death still in mothers womb it is meant to be so, But when a human being is the cause of the baby dies before it is out of the mothers womb then i do not support it.

So, the criteria you use is... MAGIC?

okaaaaay....

 

[Kenny]

100% false-- you got that exactly backwards-- the anti-choice/anti-women crowd?

Are just as likely Pro Death Penalty-- even if mistakes can be made.

They are also anti-welfare, anti-food programs, anti universal medical care.

Let Those Unwanted Kids DIE already-- they are BORN, so Anti-Choicers don't care about them anymore.

As false as the OP

I think you've got it!

 

[Spirit of Light]

So you are a strict vegan, but only eat highly processed food that is 100% artificial in origin?

I do live by vegan food yes. But no that does not mean i can not et vegetabiles.
And when it comes to those who eat meat, The meat in it self is ust a lump of meat, it is the killing that is not allowed to do nor is it allowed to ask an other person to kill an animal so example i could eat the meat.
Vegan food is not artificial

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Actually, yes, it can act on its own. Sucking their thumb, smiling, moving and responding to the mothers touch..

WHEN does all that occur? Because prior to even HAVING A THUMB? Your "point" is moot, and meaningless.

The vast majority of abortions? Occur BEFORE THERE ARE ANY THUMBS.

You are being HIGHLY disingenuous to conflate the entire 9 months into the LAST TWO MONTHS.

Typical.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So, the criteria you use is... MAGIC?

okaaaaay....

Where did you get that idea from? if baby in mothers womb dies of example illness that is a natural cause of death. But if a doctor cut open the mother to take out an unborn child even just as fetus, that is killing the way i see it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

As false as the OP

I think you've got it!

Do you think the death penalty is immoral?

Do you support free health care for everyone?

Do you support lunch programs for poverty kids?

Are you against children working for a wage?

If not? You are just another anti-women hypocrite.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Where did you get that idea from? if baby in mothers womb dies of example illness that is a natural cause of death. But if a doctor cut open the mother to take out an unborn child even just as fetus, that is killing the way i see it.

Exactly! Magic. Your distinction is pure Magic.

You seem to think that "natural" is Magically Different from "things people do"-- people, who are part of Nature...

 

[Spirit of Light]

Exactly! Magic. Your distinction is pure Magic.

You seem to think that "natural" is Magically Different from "things people do"-- people, who are part of Nature...

As a Buddhist i follow the teaching Buddha gave, and it is not magic that a baby can die a natural death. Why do you see it as magic?

 

[Audie]

Fetuses that cannot survive outside the womb? Are not people. Never have been, never will be.

Potential people? Yes. But most don't make the cut-- and are naturally ejected from the womb as a Bad Move.

Granny who cannot live without life support? Not a
person no more.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I'm pretty well convinced that what the whole "pro-life" movement is really all about is resenting other people, especially women, for having sex 'without permission', and then not wanting to pay (suffer) the 'just consequence' of their defiance. I think it's really about making those hussies pay for their sex-sin.

BINGO! How DARE these property-of-men-- erm "women" decide to think for themselves?

Do they not know their place?

/end sarcasm

 

[Kenny]

WHEN does all that occur? Because prior to even HAVING A THUMB? Your "point" is moot, and meaningless.

The vast majority of abortions? Occur BEFORE THERE ARE ANY THUMBS.

You are being HIGHLY disingenuous to conflate the entire 9 months into the LAST TWO MONTHS.

Typical.

WOW! So many statements with no source. An I"M disingenuous?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Our friend isn't even making an argument.
He's just being provocative.
You'll notice many on RF will seek to demonize
someone or something by somehow linking
them with slavery, Nazis, or evolution.
(Note: Not saying those things are equivalent.
But they're tools of the trickster's trade.)

Yes... but it works so well.

Take the example of the anti-choicers who conflate the last 2 months of pregnancy with the entire span of 9 months-- as if a blob of tissue is a baby from the moment of conception ...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

My surprise at what you told me was NOT over the existence of atheists and certainly NOT over the existence of atheist misogynists. (cf. Will Misogyny Bring Down The Atheist Movement?). My surprise was over your claim that are a sufficient number of atheist mysogynists who are pro-lifers to force me to revise my previous prediction: i.e.:

• that almost 100% of the folks who do not believe anything a human has, other than external possessions and decaying body parts, continues to exist will be a pro-choicer,
• that you will encounter some, but very few, "outliers", i.e. (a) pro-choicers, such as myself, who believe that human embryos have souls, and (b) pro-lifers who believe that human embryos do not have souls.

Now I'm almost intrigued enough by your claim that I'm tempted to attend a TAM and survey the crowd to see how many pro-lifers there among the heathen.

Ironically? I have run into the oddball atheist, who firmly believes there are such things as "souls".

Being an atheist simply means no belief in god(s). Souls are quite another matter, it would seem..

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

WOW! So many statements with no source. An I"M disingenuous?

I'm not here to fix your 100% lack of Biology Education. Google the stages of human pregnancy.

Did you know, that prior to about 4 months, 99% of people cannot tell the difference between a fetal pig, a fetal elephant or a fetal human?

I bet you did not know that-- just like you think early fetuses have ... thumbs.

Sad. TYPICAL, but sad...

 

[shmogie]

“And since we all came from a woman, got our name from a woman, and our game from a woman. I wonder why we take from our women, why we rape our women, do we hate our women? I think it’s time to kill for our women, time to heal our women, be real to our women. And if we don’t we’ll have a race of babies, that will hate the ladies, that make the babies. And since a man can’t make one, he has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one.”

-Tupac Shakur

A deep philosophical quotation from one of the greatest thinkers of our time. The founder of planned parenthood, a eugenic racist who set up the organization to kill black babies, would be proud.

The issue is simply basic human rights, the right to life as in the Declaration of Independence.

As much as abortionists like to pretend that a baby after the first trimester isn´t a person, it is. It has all the anatomical characteristics of a human, it moves, it has a beating heart it has a brain. It most likely feels pain, it is a person, an inconvenient person.

Because this baby is inconvenient, we look the other way, wash our hands of it as a person, and allow it to be killed. Convenience wins the day.,

It is not part of a womans body, it has totally different genes and can even have a different blood type.

When The Constitution speaks of unalienable rights, it means those rights exist and cannot be voided for any reason. They are not negotiable or subject to the majority vote, they apply always, period.

Though the Constitution says nothing about killing an inconvenient baby, it says much about that babyś rights as a human, a person, the fundamental one being that all people have the right to life,

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Once again, a completely emotional plea, and the refusal to admit that we may not yet be talking about a "child." Tell me, what mother would embrace this (at only about 1/4 inch long), and how long would it survive to enjoy that embrace?

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I have it on Good Authority* that those fetuses are up in Heaven, and Hugging Jesus even now...




* Pat Robertson, the Evangelical Television Guy.


(warning! the preceding comment may contain..... Sarcasm)