Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth

[Revoltingest]

No; literally everything is about money.

Would you say the only reason Dems tend to favor abortion rights is to get money?
And the only reason Pubs oppose them is to get money?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Once again, a completely emotional plea, and the refusal to admit that we may not yet be talking about a "child." Tell me, what mother would embrace this (at only about 1/4 inch long), and how long would it survive to enjoy that embrace?

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Well from the female i know, as soon as they got pregnant they enjoy the new life.
(to me) it is not only the physical aspect of a being, it is also the spiritual part. or non physical. So the way i see it as soon as the fertilization occure, it is life.

 

[Willamena]

Would you say the only reason Dems tend to favor abortion rights is to get money?
And the only reason Pubs oppose them is to get money?

I can only imagine.

 

[crossfire]

Well from the female i know, as soon as they got pregnant they enjoy the new life.
(to me) it is not only the physical aspect of a being, it is also the spiritual part. or non physical. So the way i see it as soon as the fertilization occure, it is life.

Pregnancy sucks. (Morning sickness, fainting, constipation, hemorrhoids, acid reflux, water retention, etc.) Childbirth sucks even more. (Nothing sucks like childbirth.) Recovering from childbirth also sucks. Trying to keep your milk supply up sucks. The whole reproductive thing sucks, imo.
Your mileage may vary.

 

[crossfire]

Pregnancy sucks. (Morning sickness, fainting, constipation, hemorrhoids, acid reflux, water retention, etc.) Childbirth sucks even more. (Nothing sucks like childbirth.) Recovering from childbirth also sucks. Trying to keep your milk supply up sucks. The whole reproductive thing sucks, imo.
Your mileage may vary.

This doesn't even touch on how some people will argue that a new mother with a baby in a car seat shouldn't be able to use the carpool lane, and the other mean crap (like flack about feeding your baby) new moms have to put up with.

 

[PureX]

Or it could just be that we think abortion is bad.

Abortion is bad. But that has nothing to do with the blatant denial of a woman's right to decide what will happen inside her own body. Taking that right away is the desire of people who want her to be 'punished' for having sex without their approval.

 

[Rival]

Taking that right away is the desire of people who want her to be 'punished' for having sex without their approval.

This is not my desire. My desire is to save the unborn.

 

[BilliardsBall]

There is a tremendous difference in the two meanings. The diffetence is seen after the birth occurs and into childhood. The politicians are getting closer to the Death Penalty for abortion providers and some states have jail time on the books for the woman getting the abortion.
Look closer at how these states allocate funds for those born into poverty. It pretty much says it all.

The Jewish religious leaders in the time of Jesus who behaved the same way as our Republican politicians of today, also clocked their evil behaviour in righteousness.

Huh? There are different theories of helping the poor: 1) handouts 2) uplifts, and there are different theories on abortion 1) kill babies 2) let babies live, and since abortion is a scourge on the poor, with half of abortions happening to the poor, I'd think you'd be more on the Republican side "poor people have a right to live" then on the Democrat side "let's let the poor keep killing their children, that will help us have more money for entitlements for our voting bloc".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Missy, ...Uncle Terry says your bumper car was headed in the right direction as long as you went straight, but you made a serious mistake when you turned before you crossed the finish line.

What? You don't like accuracy in posting?

 

[Audie]

It's more about money. Republican politicians get contributions for taking a side against abortion.

Abortion Policy/Anti-Abortion: Money to Congress | OpenSecrets

And dems get it from the other side. Actually, that
is kine of how politics work, both sides responding to
bribes / influence.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Why is killing someone illegal on the street, but killing an unborn child should be allowed? can the unborn child defend it self?

Except that killing someone on the street IS NOT always illegal, is it?

It's NOT if the victim is a Person Of Color, and Holding An Object-- any object. Then? They can be Killed Dead Right There with impunity. Cops do this all the time, as do White Men.

Oh! I needed to factor that in, don't I? So long as the shooter is a White Male or a Cop.

How is a fetus any different?

 

[sealchan]

I think the abortion debate is a poor substitute for the real issues behind unwanted pregnancy. I think that the laws should give a woman a reasonable opportunity to have a choice such that they can become aware that they are pregnant and have time to choose an abortion under most circumstances. Let's call it an awareness clause.

But I also think that there is a natural empathy restriction that applies...any woman who discovers she is pregnant will come to have had her deep feelings of empathy raised and thereby her burden for making a decision either way will already have been tried in that "court of law". General knowledge of the developmental stages of a fetus as far as his/her/its awareness, etc should strengthen that courts influence in the matter.

What if any precedent would a decision to separate conjoined twins have in application to the separation of a mother from her unborn child?

 

[Audie]

No; literally everything is about money.

That is a little too cynical even for me.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

This is not my desire. My desire is to save the unborn.

But once they are born? They need to get busy and enter the workforce, if they expect ANY food, medical care, shelter, education, and what-not?

Right? Once born, they don't need "saving" any longer...

 

[Revoltingest]

And dems get it from the other side. Actually, that
is kine of how politics work, both sides responding to
bribes / influence.

But if a candidate has a sincerely held stance, eg, pro-choice,
that candidate will attract donations from the like minded.
We cannot presume that every politician's agenda is bought.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Huh? There are different theories of helping the poor: 1) handouts 2) uplifts, and there are different theories on abortion 1) kill babies 2) let babies live, and since abortion is a scourge on the poor, with half of abortions happening to the poor, I'd think you'd be more on the Republican side "poor people have a right to live" then on the Democrat side "let's let the poor keep killing their children, that will help us have more money for entitlements for our voting bloc".

You missed out the most important bits:

Democrats want to HELP newborn babies, children and so on-- with Free Education, Free Health care, Free Food and so on.

Whereas Republicans want these deadbeat newborns to GET TO WORK ALREADY. They are a burden on Capitalism. Back To The Mines with these lazy kids.

 

[Revoltingest]

Whereas Republicans want these deadbeat newborns to GET TO WORK ALREADY. They are a burden on Capitalism. Back To The Mines with these lazy kids.

This is untrue.
A baby's job is to eat, sleep, cry, & s**t.
Capitalist babies are very industrious...doing this 24 hours a day.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Oh yes I can.

They are all human beings.

Perhaps you should google "lifecycle of a primate", so you can see for yourself what biologists say.
Tom

Fetuses that cannot survive outside the womb? Are not people. Never have been, never will be.

Potential people? Yes. But most don't make the cut-- and are naturally ejected from the womb as a Bad Move.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

A baby in mothers womb react to sound touch and it remember this voices when it get born so yes they can think, feel. it does not just happen in the moment it get born that it suddenly start to hear, smell, see and feel.
at week 18 of the pregnancy the hearing is developed

Only deep into the pregnancy. Attempting to conflate the entire 9 months into the conditions of the last 2?

Is disingenuous and manipulative. But that's the stock-and-trade of Anti-Women/Anti-Choice, isn't it?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Pregnancy sucks. (Morning sickness, fainting, constipation, hemorrhoids, acid reflux, water retention, etc.) Childbirth sucks even more. (Nothing sucks like childbirth.) Recovering from childbirth also sucks. Trying to keep your milk supply up sucks. The whole reproductive thing sucks, imo.
Your mileage may vary.

Except that killing someone on the street IS NOT always illegal, is it?

It's NOT if the victim is a Person Of Color, and Holding An Object-- any object. Then? They can be Killed Dead Right There with impunity. Cops do this all the time, as do White Men.

Oh! I needed to factor that in, don't I? So long as the shooter is a White Male or a Cop.

How is a fetus any different?

Yes it is always illegal to kill. but of some reason cops sometimes go free even they should not get free.
To me it does not matter what color the skin has, it is still a human being who do it.