Pro-Life supporters:How do you reconcile overpopulation, climate change and reproductive rights?

[Epic Beard Man]

Some satanic cults love abortion because they can sacrifice their babies to Satan

You were doing good until you brought religion into this

We can always colonize mars or something.

This isn't viable solution as the technology even to have viable colonies are decades away.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I don't want to see abortion myself flourish, yet in the same sentence I always have it pegged that nature will take care of itself one way or another , regardless of any position wither its pro-life or not.

But we have less than 12 years to make changes to our habits such as riding ourselves of fossil fuels, so with that being said how will the world balance itself out until then? Perhaps a cataclysmic event ought to occur for us to force us to change our ways.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Sure, increase the availability of abortion especially in the "poor" countries. Which poor countries do you think Bernie is talking about?

It's not just about pro-choice but assisting impoverished countries mainly third world countries who lack educational and medical resources.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

At a guess, ignore the issue and recite "be fruitful and multiply" mindlessly.

lmao

 

[Epic Beard Man]

From the nature it will regulate it self when we are to many human beings on earth, that being sickness, hunger and so on. Then population fall. But seen from human side. We can stop eating animals, and we will live longer.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Exactly this. For pro-lifers, the sanctity of life begins at conception but ends at birth, given that they typically oppose social programs that offer assistance for struggling mothers, and oppose sex education and contraceptives that help prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
It seems that it has less to do with concern and more to do with control.

Say this louder for the people sitting in the cheap seats

 

[pearl]

It seems one answer would be to deal with the promiscuity so prevalent today and re-enforced social social media.

 

[Wandering Monk]

To gain some perspective see:

I thought this was an interesting question she asked and very central to our world’s problem. Considering limited resources, overpopulation, as well as climate change how do those of you who support pro-life address this problem?

Little known fact: World population GROWTH rates have crashed since 1960. They are half today as then. This is a good trend. Of course, if you really want to quickly reduce world population, just get an entire generation to be childless and humanity would be extinct within 100 years.

 

[shmogie]

Then we in the United States would violate our constitution

Correct. Liberty and government demanded behavior rarely can exist at the same time.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Correct. Liberty and government demanded behavior rarely can exist at the same time.

So you're pro-choice, then. Right?

 

[Wandering Monk]

So you're pro-choice, then. Right?

Me. I'm ambivalent on this. I think there are better solutions to population than abortion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Me. I'm ambivalent on this. I think there are better solutions to population than abortion.

I didn't say pro-abortion; I said pro-choice.

I don't think that the pro-choice position has much to do with population control, since along with upholding abortion rights, it also upholds the right not to have an abortion and continue the pregnancy if that's what the pregnant person chooses.

 

[shmogie]

Exactly this. For pro-lifers, the sanctity of life begins at conception but ends at birth, given that they typically oppose social programs that offer assistance for struggling mothers, and oppose sex education and contraceptives that help prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
It seems that it has less to do with concern and more to do with control.

Once again, you make statements regarding millions of people as if they all believed exactly the same.

Those of us who are pro life are as dynamic a group as any other, there are different positions taken for different reasons.

I am pro life, yet I support abortion on demand in the first trimester. I believe life begins at conception, that is my moral and religious belief. For someone who does not share my belief structure, it is hard to make the case that a clump of non specialized cells is a person. After the first trimester, the baby looks like a human, is obviously alive with a beating heart. After the first trimester, there should be no abortions, except in the case of possible serious physical harm or death of the mother.

Why would I oppose a program to assist struggling mothers ? If we stopped the billions spent on illegals every year, there would be more to help these mothers.

Sex education is absolutely appropriate for post puberty kids. They need to know what it is, itś risks of pregnancy, and how to prevent pregnancy. They need to know about SSTś. Thatś it, nothing more.
In the 1950ś there was a required sex ed class for kids in the 5th grade, if your parents gave signed permission. Mine did. It discussed quite clearly and graphically the reproduction process. back then anything further was left to the parents.

This habit of arbitrarily grouping people together and characterizing all in the group as the same needs to stop.

It would be the same if I characterized all liberals as as socialists bordering on communists because some ate.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I didn't say pro-abortion; I said pro-choice.

I don't think that the pro-choice position has much to do with population control, since along with upholding abortion rights, it also upholds the right not to have an abortion and continue the pregnancy if that's what the pregnant person chooses.

Population growth decreases with increases in wealth and education. Both of these trends are on the increase globally and we are seeing a decline in birth rates. The problem of overpopulation seems to be solving itself in the global aggregate.

 

[shmogie]

Something I've noticed about the anti-choice movement:

- if you assume that their motives are what they say they are, there are all sorts of things in their position that can't be reconciled.

- if you assume that they're motivated by a desire to punish women* for having sex they don't approve of, everything falls into place and nothing can't be reconciled.


*normally, I'd say "people with uteruses," but it seems to me that anti-choice views usually come as a package deal with trans erasure.

What nonsense, leave it to you to come up with the worst possible motive to attribute. Anti choice ? not me, only when the choice leads to abortion to I stridently object.

Name EXACTLY what you think cannot be reconciled.

 

[Nakosis]

It's not just about pro-choice but assisting impoverished countries mainly third world countries who lack educational and medical resources.

Sure, as long as rich folks can keep having kids.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What nonsense, leave it to you to come up with the worst possible motive to attribute.

What can I say? It fits the facts.

Anti choice ? not me, only when the choice leads to abortion to I stridently object.

Name EXACTLY what you think cannot be reconciled.

The actions of the anti-choice community.

Take the most common reasons why people seek abortions. Here's one list; there are others, though they tend to be similar:

The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%).

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

What policies have you supported that would address any of those reasons for abortion and that would make the pregnant person better off?

Take the first one: that having a child would interfere with the woman's work, etc. I've never once heard anyone argue for better job-protected paid parental leave as a way to reduce abortions. Whenever improvements have been made on this front, it's been for other reasons... and usually over the objections of the right-wingers who tend to also be anti-choice.

If you:

- reduce the interference that another child would create for a woman's ability to work, go to school, or raise the children she already has,
- make it easier for low-income women to afford another child,
- reduce the stigma of single parenthood, and
- provide better resources for couples having relationship problems,

... you would address the vast majority of the reasons why American women seek out abortions.

What have you done on any of this? What policies have you supported that work toward any of these goals?

Have you ever supported any anti-abortion measure that would make women seeking abortions so much better off that they choose not to get the abortion?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

@shmogie - "anti-choice" is the term for someone opposed to the pro-choice movement.

I don't use "pro-life," because opposing the legal access to abortion isn't necessarily rooted in an overall respect for life.

I don't use "anti-abortion" for the reasons I described earlier: many people who call themselves "pro-life" aren't interested in many measures that would reduce abortion. They also often don't seem to care if their tactics would just create a shift from legal to illegal abortion without a change in how many happen.

I suppose I could use "pro legal restrictions on abortion," but that doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. "Anti-choice" captures the same idea anyway.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Can you elaborate?

If we are to many people on earth nature itself will make some die because it can not sustain everyone. example nature catastrophe

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Little known fact: World population GROWTH rates have crashed since 1960. They are half today as then. This is a good trend. Of course, if you really want to quickly reduce world population, just get an entire generation to be childless and humanity would be extinct within 100 years.

Ca you actually address the subject?