Pro-Palestinian Peaceful Protests

[McBell]

If you can't see it, then it's obvious where the problem lies as one is a reaction to the other, thus it's important to recognize the primary cause.

First you claim there is a difference.
When asked what said difference is your reply is basically 'they are different'.
When asked to explain the difference, instead of explaining the difference you imply deficiency of some kind in the one asking for the explanation.

If you can not explain the difference, just say so instead of obviously avoiding it.

 

[metis]

First you claim there is a difference.
When asked what said difference is your reply is basically 'they are different'.
When asked to explain the difference, instead of explaining the difference you imply deficiency of some kind in the one asking for the explanation.

If you can not explain the difference, just say so instead of obviously avoiding it.

See my last post.

 

[McBell]

See my last post.

Your last post does not explain what Iran is doing differently with Hamas that the USa is doing with Israel.

 

[metis]

Your last post does not explain what Iran is doing differently with Hamas that the USa is doing with Israel.

I have explained it, so I'm just moving on as you just seeming cannot understand "cause & effect".

 

[McBell]

I have explained it, so I'm just moving on as you just seeming cannot understand "cause & effect".

Good idea seeing as your "explanations" do not explain what you claim they explain.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Take a look at the map that includes northern Africa and western Asia all the way to Bangladesh. Compare that land mass to the size of Israel. Now, with that vast difference in size and population, can anyone honestly tell us that there's no place that could help take in the Palestinians who don't want to stay in Gaza? After WWII, many Jews left Europe and Asia to live in Israel for obvious reasons, and they were well accepted in. Why haven't the other countries one this with the "Palestinians

Sure let us blame the countries that don’t wanna take couple millions refuguees in.

Some may say "Yes, but they're Palestinians who want to be with their own". But "their own" are what we now call "Arabs" as there was no "Palestine" before the Brits made an agreement with the French to divide up that area. Israel also got only roughly 1/6 of the land in 1948 with the majority of "Palestinians" living in the WB and Jordan and also Gaza. Now did this satisfy the "Arabs"? Of course not for reasons previously explained

That is called forced displacement . Throw a whole population from their homes and region. I assume you think the Palestinians in the West Bank should do the same?

Again and again, this is a religious war being conducted mainly by Iran because of what's said in the Hadith with proxies on three sides of Israel. And yet we are to believe that this is Israel's fault???

Yeah nice try to bring religion in to conversation. Don’t lower yourself to that, you are better then that.

 

[metis]

Yeah nice try to bring religion in to conversation. Don’t lower yourself to that, you are better then that.

I don't blame the religion per se as Islam is not monolithic, but the Shi'i do believe strongly in the Hadith, and that's one of Iran's driving forces.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

I don't blame the religion per se as Islam is not monolithic, but the Shi'i do believe strongly in the Hadith, and that's one of Iran's driving forces.

I also believe in the Hadith but that got nothing to do with the slaughtering of thousands of
non combatant's .
I don’t know why you are still bringing Iran in this conversation.

If you look into history didn’t the west intervene in domestic affairs in Iran by a coup?
You see the pattern always come back to the west, they created the evil themselves.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sometimes it does.

Nonviolent Direct Actions do sometimes have planned distruction of property.

True. If a restaurant discriminates against some group one might blow the crap out of it in the middle of the night and claim it to be a peaceful protest because no one was hurt. Fortunately, few engage in such sophomoric childishness.

 

[metis]

I also believe in the Hadith but that got nothing to do with the slaughtering of thousands of
non combatant's .
I don’t know why you are still bringing Iran in this conversation.

Because Iran is the kingpin for this, which should be obvious to anyone who has studied this. Hamas Charter (1988 version).

Power by Proxy: How Iran Shapes the Mideast

A guide to the armed groups that let Iran extend its influence throughout the region.

www.nytimes.com

 

[metis]

If you look into history didn’t the west intervene in domestic affairs in Iran by a coup?
You see the pattern always come back to the west, they created the evil themselves.

No doubt we/they share some of the blame.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

No doubt we/they share some of the blame.

Right so don’t come with the argument that Iran is de main problem. The issue conflict started before 1988.
The funny thing wat you are doing is done for 75 years . The west convinced its people that the Muslims are that is barbaric. You know the Hollywood movies where the bad guy tend to be a Arab. Still people are still being brainwashed

 

[metis]

Right so don’t come with the argument that Iran is de main problem.

We're discussing what's NOW happening in Gaza, so if you want to take it back decades or centuries, maybe consider starting another thread. I gave you two sources and there's more that you could easily find on your own.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

True. If a restaurant discriminates against some group one might blow the crap out of it in the middle of the night and claim it to be a peaceful protest because no one was hurt. Fortunately, few engage in such sophomoric childishness.

You call that Nonviolent Direct Action?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You call that Nonviolent Direct Action?

Try again ...

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Try again ...

That’s what you said.

Your post was a response to my post, which was about Nonviolent Direct Action.

You agreed with me, but gave a bad example, that’s all.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

We're discussing what's NOW happening in Gaza, so if you want to take it back decades or centuries, maybe consider starting another thread. I gave you two sources and there's more that you could easily find on your own.

If we are discussing what’s happening now then why put something from 1988? Amazing logic

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Take a look at the map that includes northern Africa and western Asia all the way to Bangladesh. Compare that land mass to the size of Israel. Now, with that vast difference in size and population, can anyone honestly tell us that there's no place that could help take in the Palestinians who don't want to stay in Gaza?

Gee, I wonder why they didn't want to stay in Gaza?

That's a pretty poor excuse for committing war crimes against them.

After WWII, many Jews left Europe and Asia to live in Israel for obvious reasons, and they were well accepted in.

They sure were. Then the British Mandate handed over a huge swathe of the land to Zionist interest groups, who then immediately went beyond the borders of the land they were legally allowed to annex and continued to illegally annex further land that didn't belong to them, along with committing countless atrocities against the people of Mandatory Palestine.

1948 Palestine war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nakba - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Weird that you missed that part out.

Why haven't the other countries one this with the "Palestinians"?

Weird question to ask. Why didn't America accept more Jewish refugees during the Holocaust? I guess it's a good question to ask if the issue were antisemitism in America, but a very weird question to ask if the issue were "Europe enacting genocide on Jewish people". You'd think that pointing out the genocide happening that CREATES refugees would be the first issue, rather than "Oh, you don't like the mass killing of these people that they are fleeing from? Well, OTHER COUNTRIES should do more to rescue them!"

Some may say "Yes, but they're Palestinians who want to be with their own". But "their own" are what we now call "Arabs" as there was no "Palestine" before the Brits made an agreement with the French to divide up that area.

Literally an Imperialist narrative with a touch of ethno-nationalism being used, here. Relying on legal technicalities to try and justify the displacements and killing of hundreds of thousands of people. You should be ashamed.

Israel also got only roughly 1/6 of the land in 1948 with the majority of "Palestinians" living in the WB and Jordan and also Gaza. Now did this satisfy the "Arabs"? Of course not for reasons previously explained.

Well, gee, I guess everyone should just accept when their land is illegally annexed by a far greater military power, their people displaced and murdered en masse, their villages, towns and culture razed, and millions of their existing people placed into what is essentially an open-air prison camp, all while the perpetrators continue to break international law and annex what territory you still have.

I guess they should have been totally "satisfied" by that. Who could possibly have foreseen them being unhappy with that arrangement?

Again and again, this is a religious war being conducted mainly by Iran because of what's said in the Hadith with proxies on three sides of Israel. And yet we are to believe that this is Israel's fault???

Here's a list of towns and villages destroyed, depopulated or outright massacred during the illegal Israeli annexation of 1947-1948.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1947%E2%80%931949_Palestine_war

Just thought you should know you're an apologist for genocide.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Take a look at the map that includes northern Africa and western Asia all the way to Bangladesh. Compare that land mass to the size of Israel. Now, with that vast difference in size and population, can anyone honestly tell us that there's no place that could help take in the Palestinians who don't want to stay in Gaza? After WWII, many Jews left Europe and Asia to live in Israel for obvious reasons, and they were well accepted in. Why haven't the other countries one this with the "Palestinians"?

Some may say "Yes, but they're Palestinians who want to be with their own". But "their own" are what we now call "Arabs" as there was no "Palestine" before the Brits made an agreement with the French to divide up that area. Israel also got only roughly 1/6 of the land in 1948 with the majority of "Palestinians" living in the WB and Jordan and also Gaza. Now did this satisfy the "Arabs"? Of course not for reasons previously explained.

Again and again, this is a religious war being conducted mainly by Iran because of what's said in the Hadith with proxies on three sides of Israel. And yet we are to believe that this is Israel's fault???

enough

IOW: "Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine shouldn't be a big deal, since there are lots of countries that ought to be able to take in the millions of people they displace."

 

[metis]

If we are discussing what’s happening now then why put something from 1988? Amazing logic

The above doesn't make one iota of sense as I am posting about now but with sources to back it up. Maybe consider doing that yourself.