Producing life from non living matter

[Kirran]

Even more evidence that God did it.

This seems simplistic. Scientists can very easily replicate the processes by which DNA is produced from these lifeless chemicals. It's been a routine procedure for decades. I have done it myself in the lab more times than I can count.

 

[omega2xx]

I was referring to the OPer's assertion that if a fly were to be created by humans it would disprove God. I disagree entirely with that, personally.

It is much more than man being about to create life. Even if man can create life, he still can't explain how matter, energy and the elements of life came into being.

 

[omega2xx]

This seems simplistic. Scientists can very easily replicate the processes by which DNA is produced from these lifeless chemicals. It's been a routine procedure for decades. I have done it myself in the lab more times than I can count.

You can't start with lifeless elements and create life. Man can't create DNA. The things you have done started with what already contained some elements of life.

 

[ChristineM]

That's fine. I limit my participation also.



Even more evidence that God did it.

No its evidence that adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine are lifeless chemicals.

 

[Kirran]

It is much more than man being about to create life. Even if man can create life, he still can't explain how matter, energy and the elements of life came into being.

Well yeah, I'm no atheist, I was just responding to the OPer's claims.

You can't start with lifeless elements and create life. Man can't create DNA. The things you have done started with what already contained some elements of life.

Do adenine, thymine, guanine, cytosine, phosphate groups and ribose sugars contain some "elements of life"?

 

[FearGod]

But you do seem to be saying that God would be in some way "disproved" were scientists to create a fly.

If they do. but they won't.

 

[Kirran]

If they do. but they won't.

Right, either way, it seems a fragile relationship with God that would be sundered by something so trivial.

 

[FearGod]

Right, either way, it seems a fragile relationship with God that would be sundered by something so trivial.

Many people look for a proof that God does exist, not all of humans just believe in blind faith,
challenging the disbelievers and the skeptics to create one fly is very rational IMO,
God didn't challenge humans to make something that can fly, or something that can go faster than the
horse because he knows they'll do, but he challenged humans to do a thing that he knows they won't do.

 

[DavidFirth]

If life wasn't a product done by a creator, then what prevents us from creating it
the same way as it has been done by the unconscious nature.

This challenge was offered by God thousands years ago, as to create living creatures, can we?

I don't think so. Scientists may be able to create something similar to what we say is "life" but they'll never be able to create life from non-life as we know it. That's my 2 cents.

 

[FearGod]

Also, dude - O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.(22:73)

Isn't this talking about other deities, rather than about scientists and such? Who invokes scientists?

"Will never", is future tense.

Scientists can't work it alone, such projects are financed by the others as well.
Humans failed to bring life to the lifeless, God asked them to join together to
create a fly, scientists and not scientists.

 

[Kirran]

Many people look for a proof that God does exist, not all of humans just believe in blind faith,
challenging the disbelievers and the skeptics to create one fly is very rational IMO,
God didn't challenge humans to make something that can fly, or something that can go faster than the
horse because he knows they'll do, but he challenged humans to do a thing that he knows they won't do.

Experience God for yourself. Don't believe in Him by inference or mental rationalism.

"Will never", is future tense.

Scientists can't work it alone, such projects are financed by the others as well.
Humans failed to bring life to the lifeless, God asked them to join together to
create a fly, scientists and not scientists.

The verse doesn't refer to humans, scientists or otherwise. It refers to "those you invoke" i.e. false gods.

 

[FearGod]

It can only be about faith because evidence for (or of) god is non existent.

But God made many signs for the disbelievers, so it isn't only blind faith.

 

[ChristineM]

But God made many signs for the disbelievers, so it isn't only blind faith.

Please provide a verifiable example..

 

[FearGod]

Experience God for yourself. Don't believe in Him by inference or mental rationalism.

God asked us to use our minds and I do.

The verse doesn't refer to humans, scientists or otherwise. It refers to "those you invoke" i.e. false gods.

And they're still humans, and the true God is challenging them of creating a fly,
let me ask you then if such challenge were made in other books for creating life.

 

[FearGod]

Please provide a verifiable example..

This have been discussed many times and I don't want to repeat it because what I see as a sign
the others see it happening by accident, so it's useless, believe me.

 

[ChristineM]

This have been discussed many times and I don't want to repeat it because what I see as a sign
the others see it happening by accident, so it's useless, believe me.

No examples then? Fair enough

 

[leibowde84]

It is not because they failed, it is not because they are not very intelligent. It is because IMO, only God can create life out of what is lifeless. The fact that they are very intelligent and have all kinds of good equipment, seems to reinforce my opinion. I don't see where they have moved the needle one point in the direction of creating life.

Then you simply aren't looking hard enough. Science in this area is advancing every day. It is ludicrous to try to put limits on future developments. The idea that, "if they haven't done it by now they are never going to do it", is an insult toward education and human advancement in general.

It's almost as ludicrous as saying, "since we haven't found aliens yet, they must not exist".

 

[FearGod]

It is much more than man being about to create life. Even if man can create life, he still can't explain how matter, energy and the elements of life came into being.

By coincidences and chances, science of randomness.

 

[FearGod]

Then you simply aren't looking hard enough. Science in this area is advancing every day. It is ludicrous to try to put limits on future developments. The idea that, "if they haven't done it by now they are never going to do it", is an insult toward education and human advancement in general.

It's almost as ludicrous as saying, "since we haven't found aliens yet, they must not exist".

But the unconscious nature did it without science.

 

[FearGod]

No examples then? Fair enough

I didn't say there are no examples, but I said discussing them is useless.