Producing life from non living matter

[FearGod]

Everything.
You have to declare a dividing line for anything if you want to test it.

After declaring this line then the job of creating a living creature become easier,
is that what you mean?

 

[Kirran]

What that question has to do with our ability to create a living creature?

As jon said, everything. By some measures, we have done what you demand. We've created organic molecules which can replicate in appropriate conditions.

 

[HonestJoe]

If life wasn't a product done by a creator, then what prevents us from creating it
the same way as it has been done by the unconscious nature.

We can’t produce thunder and lightning either. Does that prove Thor exists?

 

[FearGod]

Amazing isn't exactly the word I would use for observing a fly carry something, and then writing about it...

Did you ever see one?

 

[Kirran]

Did you ever see one?

Personally, I've seen this many times.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Did you ever see one?

Yes...

Have you not?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If life wasn't a product done by a creator, then what prevents us from creating it

Time and money and intelligence. Mostly time and money.

This challenge was offered by God thousands years ago, as to create living creatures, can we?

Sure.

It's really amazing that it says that the fly carry a tiny thing, as we know today that the fly carries tiny things with it legs.

Carries what? Never seen a fly carry anything.

That's why God gave us minds

God shows a fear we can be like Him even in Genesis. Clearly, there is nothing we can't do, perhaps, if we just have the spine to try it out.

While we have knowledge and minds and still we can't create a living creature, but the unconscious nature did it.

We both underestimate and overestimate what is required.

What makes you that certain and sure?

If God has done ANYTHING in the physical realm, then we can figure out how to identify the methods used and once that is known, only resource limitations will take away our ability to accomplish the same thing.

I didn't make the challenge, God made it knowing that we'll never do it.

God also wanted Adam to suffer in agriculture, so we built tractors.

God also wanted Eve to suffer in childbirth, so we made narcotics.

God also didn't want tall buildings, so we made skyscrapers.

God has wanted a lot of things kept from us that progress allowed us to do anyway.

What that question has to do with our ability to create a living creature?

Because if life is as simple as a self-replicating RNA molecule, then we can do that easy. It's when you start adding things to the grocery list of living cells that it starts to get messy. It's not that it can't be done, but we need time and money.

 

[FearGod]

We can’t produce thunder and lightning either. Does that prove Thor exists?

We're speaking about life.

 

[jonathan180iq]

After declaring this line then the job of creating a living creature become easier,
is that what you mean?

No - the job of defining our progress becomes easier, however.

What is your parameter for something to be considered life? If it's a self-replicating "thing" when we've done that. We've also produced synthetic "organisms" that change food types based on higher energy content. Are those things considered alive, to you?

 

[FearGod]

Yes...

Have you not?

What it carried?

 

[Kirran]

@FearGod are you avoiding the question of where you draw the line between life and non-life?

 

[jonathan180iq]

We're speaking about life.

Yes - but the premise is the same.

"I can't make a Tree on my own. Therefore, Pan must exist."

Would that be a good argument, in your eyes?

 

[FearGod]

No - the job of defining our progress becomes easier, however.

What is your parameter for something to be considered life? If it's a self-replicating "thing" when we've done that. We've also produced synthetic "organisms" that change food types based on higher energy content. Are those things considered alive, to you?

The challenge is to make a living creature that can reproduce, eat and grow.
We did never make a living cell from scratch.

 

[HonestJoe]

We're speaking about life.

No, we’re speaking about things traditionally attributed to divine acts and subsequently attributed to natural processes that human beings are (currently) unable to artificially replicate. Why would the logic you wish to apply to your example not also apply to mine?

 

[FearGod]

@FearGod are you avoiding the question of where you draw the line between life and non-life?

I don't need to, the question is simple, what prevents us from creating a living creature,
How your question answer mines?

 

[Kirran]

‘Minimal’ cell raises stakes in race to harness synthetic life

The challenge is to make a living creature that can reproduce, eat and grow.
We did never make a living cell from scratch.

So you don't count viruses as alive?

 

[Kirran]

I don't need to, the question is simple, what prevents us from creating a living creature,
How your question answer mines?

If you really fail to see the connection here, you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what it is you are asking.

 

[PositiveThinking09]

LIFE IS BUT AN ECHO!!

 

[FearGod]

As jon said, everything. By some measures, we have done what you demand. We've created organic molecules which can replicate in appropriate conditions.

The challenge is about creating a living creature.

 

[Kirran]

The challenge is about creating a living creature.

Right. Define 'living creature' for the purposes of this challenge.

Do you count viruses? Do you count prions? Do you count mitochondria and chloroplasts? If not, do you count cyanobacteria?