FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
If you really fail to see the connection here, you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what it is you are asking.
That isn't my problem, answer the question than asking questions.
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If you really fail to see the connection here, you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what it is you are asking.
Right. Define 'living creature' for the purposes of this challenge.
Do you count viruses? Do you count prions? Do you count mitochondria and chloroplasts? If not, do you count cyanobacteria?
That isn't my problem, answer the question than asking questions.
The challenge was very simple, a little fly, not even a human.
Yes - but the premise is the same.
"I can't make a Tree on my own. Therefore, Pan must exist."
Would that be a good argument, in your eyes?
I didn't make the challenge, God made it knowing that we'll never do it.
Don't you see how silly it's when believing that the unconscious nature did it while we claim
that we don't have the knowledge yet to do it?
It has to be a fly? It can't be another life form, like a bacterium?
While we have knowledge and minds and still we can't create a living creature, but the unconscious nature did it.
What makes you that certain and sure?
It's not a follow-up question FearGod, it's a question to clarify what it is you're actually asking.
It has to be a fly? It can't be another life form, like a bacterium?
It isn't me asking, the challenge was of God.
Should I ask God if that is possible?
Curious, then, that your god can never make such challenges without relying on humans to write them down for him. Even so, I'll change the impetus of my statement.
"So in defence of your god's Kent Hovind challenge, you deploy this cop-out."
Happy?
Not really. We didn't know how to immunise ourselves against disease but it has been occurring naturally for far longer than that - an example is the resistance European humans had against diseases in their society, yet that First Nations humans, having never encountered such illnesses, had no defence against.
Isn't it curious how the standard for passing this test is 'create the smallest life form the Arabs were aware of rather than the smallest life-form that actually exists'?
Fine, to clarify the challenge in the Qur'an then. Why is it so unclear?
If you like.
You still haven't provided any clarity.
Does the challenge require people to make a fly? Or can it be something else? Bacterium, bee, walrus, spinach?
The challenge was creating a fly, don't you think the fly is a product from the nature,
why then we can't use the elements in our nature to create a fly from scratch?
If life wasn't a product done by a creator, then what prevents us from creating it
the same way as it has been done by the unconscious nature.
This challenge was offered by God thousands years ago, as to create living creatures, can we?
Ah, I see, so your question is not about 'producing life from non-living matter' but about 'producing a fly from non-living matter'!
Well technological progress hasn't reached that stage yet. It may well do so at some point, we'll have to see. We certainly have made steps in that direction.
That was the title, but yes the challenge is creating a living creature and that was a fly.
Well you need to be specific. There are living creatures which are much easier to create than flies. We've already done so. We've created new bacterial species, we've produced bacteria from different components, etc. Once scientists master that they can move ahead to multicellular organisms, if they're motivated to.
They actually used a living cells, so it wasn't from scratch, IOW they did never created any forms
of life from non living matter.
Well they used components such as DNA and protein-lipid bubbles, which are non-living in isolation.
But they used a living cell, so they didn't create life itself.