Producing life from non living matter

[FearGod]

Which God?

If your belief in God requires that evolution and emergence of new species through evolution did not happen, then, yes, real science has shown that such an idea of God is false. Similarly for any God that requires young earth etc.

Evolution is a fact, no one can deny a fact, but it doesn't prove that God is false.

 

[Valjean]

How real science proves God is false?

Real science does not prove anything, it just amasses evidence. Science does not prove unicorns or dragons are false, either, but I'll bet you don't believe in them.
The reasonable approach is to believe in what we have evidence for, not everything that's not disproved.

 

[FearGod]

E=MC2

How it does? clarify

 

[FearGod]

Real science does not prove anything, it just amasses evidence. Science does not prove unicorns or dragons are false, either, but I'll bet you don't believe in them.
The reasonable approach is to believe in what we have evidence for, not everything that's not disproved.

And what science tells about what caused the BB and life on earth?

 

[ChristineM]

How it does? clarify

Omnipotence = infinite power

Power = energy expended over a finite time

The universe is measured to be flat to 5 decimal place's, if flat then potentially infinite and closed

The law of conservation of energy states in a closed system energy can neither be created or destroyed, only changed

Mass exists showing energy cannot be infinite hence omnipotence cannot exist.

 

[ChristineM]

And what science tells about what caused the BB and life on earth?

As for the bb, science tells us nothing, but it does theorise based on current observation, knowledge, and evidences , which of course is where religious claims fall over, no observation, no knowledge and a complete lack of evidence.

As for life on earth science tells us that given known facts, life is the only probable outcome.

 

[FearGod]

Omnipotence = infinite power

Power = energy expended over a finite time

The universe is measured to be flat to 5 decimal place's, if flat then potentially infinite and closed

The law of conservation of energy states in a closed system energy can neither be created or destroyed, only changed

Mass exists showing energy cannot be infinite hence omnipotence cannot exist.

And how you limit God to this universe, God is beyond our space and time.

 

[ChristineM]

And how you limit God to this universe, God is beyond our space and time.

Your evidence for this claim of the unknown is what?

 

[FearGod]

As for the bb, science tells us nothing, but it does theorise based on current observation, knowledge, and evidences , which of course is where religious claims fall over, no observation, no knowledge and a complete lack of evidence.

As for life on earth science tells us that given known facts, life is the only probable outcome.

But when religion agrees with science then it means a lot, at least to me.

 

[ChristineM]

But when religion agrees with science then it means a lot, at least to me.

When is that?

 

[FearGod]

Your evidence for this claim of the unknown is what?

Using our brains to figure it out.

 

[ChristineM]

Using our brains to figure it out.

Ahh, you mean guessing.. Ok

 

[FearGod]

When is that?

When one verse says that earth and heaven were one single entity before being separated,
what you call it? doesn't it agree with our findings?

 

[FearGod]

Ahh, you mean guessing.. Ok

Do you call thinking as guessing?, I think guessing is to think this universe started by itself
and it happened that life originated on earth due to specific circumstances ...etc.

Don't you think it's guessing while not having scientific answers?

 

[sayak83]

Evolution is a fact, no one can deny a fact, but it doesn't prove that God is false.

I am not trying to. Omega2xx denies both the fact and theory of evolution. I was talking with him. The discussion was not about falsifying God.

 

[Valjean]

Do you call thinking as guessing?, I think guessing is to think this universe started by itself
and it happened that life originated on earth due to specific circumstances ...etc.

Don't you think it's guessing while not having scientific answers?

The mechanisms that created the universe are an active area of study, and no scientist is flatly declaring the matter settled. When scientists come up with theories they're based on evidence and testing, not conjecture or folklore.
If the universe did not "start by itself," what are the alternatives? An invisible personage poofed it into existence by magic?
1. Is that reasonable?
2. Is there any tangible evidence of this Personage, or is this guesswork?
3. Is this a "theory" of mechanism, or of agency?

As far as life starting by itself, here we have mountains of evidence of ordinary chemical processes creating and assembling the components of life, using known and tested physical laws. As with the cosmlogical question, what's the alternative?

 

[FearGod]

The mechanisms that created the universe are an active area of study, and no scientist is flatly declaring the matter settled. When scientists come up with theories they're based on evidence and testing, not conjecture or folklore.
If the universe did not "start by itself," what are the alternatives? An invisible personage poofed it into existence by magic?
1. Is that reasonable?
2. Is there any tangible evidence of this Personage, or is this guesswork?
3. Is this a "theory" of mechanism, or of agency?

As far as life starting by itself, here we have mountains of evidence of ordinary chemical processes creating and assembling the components of life, using known and tested physical laws. As with the cosmlogical question, what's the alternative?

God isn't a person and nothing is equivalent to him, no magic but it's the power to create

God has no specific shape and doesn't belong to nature, as nature is created by him,
so to know what God is, then we have to travel out of our space which is impossible.

But investigating the message which said to be God's message to humans have a lot of sense
(as I see it), one example of many is stating the origin of the universe of being one single
entity which is exactly what scientists believe in today.

 

[Valjean]

God isn't a person and nothing is equivalent to him, no magic but it's the power to create

God is a personage. As generally conceived, he has self awareness, likes and dislikes, desires, intention, &c. He even has a sex. If he were an impersonal force, like gravity or magnetism, you wouldn't be ascribing intentionality to him.
Action without mechanism is magic. No mechanism is ascribed to God, He just creates, by his 'power'. That's magic.

God has no specific shape and doesn't belong to nature, as nature is created by him...

What evidence do you have for this?

one example of many is stating the origin of the universe of being one single
entity which is exactly what scientists believe in today.

I thought you were complaining that scientists were atheist. Now you say they believe in a creator entity?

Question: Who created God?

 

[omega2xx]

So use real science, genetics, archaeology, anthropology, biology etc as opposed to guesswork and god magic

I have not mentioned God, so why do you? This is a discussion on science, not of religion. I base my rejection of evolution on science, especially on the proven science of genetics, not on the Bible.

Try to stick to the subject.

 

[omega2xx]

Real science has shown that all your beliefs above are false.

Which ones? Be specific. Your OPINIONS of worthless.

Real science has shown that you are mistaken. But your delusion and blind faith prevents you from accepting reality. Keep holding onto the fantasies you crave. You have lost all arguments, you have no rational or evidentiary leg to stand on.

If you understood what real science has proved, you would understand that the TOE should start with once upon a time and end with they lived happily ever after. Your belief in the theology of evolution proves ignorance is bliss.

Your acceptance by faith alone of whatever opinions evolution offers keeps you from having to think about what they say. Natural selection being a mechanism for a change of species. A mutation being the mechanism for a change of species A land animal becoming a sea creature.