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Profiting off war in Ukraine

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Here are Putin's conditions for even starting negotiations or sitting at the table. Putin wants to keep all the territory he already controls, he wants Ukraine to give up all land that Russia claims including land that Ukraine still controls, he wants Ukraine to demilitarize and promise no alliance with the west. In other words, he wants a complete surrender before negotiations even START.

Putin lovers want exactly what Putin wants. This is not a strawman.

You said unconditional surrender, then provide a list of conditions. :shrug:
 

soulsurvivor

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You said unconditional surrender, then provide a list of conditions. :shrug:
Giving everything that Putin wants is unconditional surrender. His conditions are that he gets everything he wants - the four provinces completely, Crimea, Ukraine demilitarized, Ukraine neutral without alliances.

It would not be unconditional, if Ukraine could put some conditions of its own - but apparently that is too complicated for you to understand.
 

soulsurvivor

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Sure, attack the poster when you don't have an argument.
Come back when you got one.Y
The argument was before that line. You conveniently ignored it. Here it is again:

It is unconditional surrender because Ukraine cannot put any conditions of its own while negotiating.

Ukraine not being able to put conditions - is otherwise known as unconditional. No conditions from Ukraine means unconditional.

Giving everything to Putin means surrendering. So, giving everything to Putin without any conditions of your own, means 'unconditional surrender.'
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The argument was before that line. You conveniently ignored it. Here it is again:

It is unconditional surrender because Ukraine cannot put any conditions of its own while negotiating.

Ukraine not being able to put conditions - is otherwise known as unconditional. No conditions from Ukraine means unconditional.

Giving everything to Putin means surrendering. So, giving everything to Putin without any conditions of your own, means 'unconditional surrender.'

I was referring to the earlier strawman, that anyone opposed to the war wants an unconditional surrender.
 
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