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Profiting off war in Ukraine

stvdv

Veteran Member
Over 50% of Ukrainians want the war to end. Though I suppose, who cares what the people of Ukraine want.
Can you provide a link for this statistic (a non-Russian one)?
Common Sense will give me that answer

Just imagine your country get bombed or nuked, and 10% of your neighbors their houses were already destroyed

And then the fear, that the next bomb lands next to you, ripping off arms and legs, but you don't die

Oh, and knowing Russia is a super power with maybe most of the nukes on earth.

How much you think you want this war to end?

More than 50% must be true
More than 75% probably too

>99% chance that it's not the normal people who start wars, and who benefit from wars. Large part of the country has been destroyed. 35000 Ukrainians died or are wounded

Not any sane person wants to have war. Dictators, psychopaths, Supremacists, ISIS like people want and start wars (maybe <5%). Normal people = >95% don't want war. Only those who earn money out of wars(like arms dealers etc.) and some who think it's a smart move (e.g. weaken Putins army)

And those polls are faked, telling the west that 73% (2022) of the Ukrainians want to fight, because if the number was below 50% then NATO + USA their so called help would not sound very convincing, and they wouldn't be able to sell their old (and new) weapens. Hence the news had to up their numbers


Radicals might like wars. Muslim radicals are said to be <1% or 15-25%. (see below) I don't think other radicals will be much more in number. If the correct number is 1% then 99% is normal, and doesn't want war. Hence 73% of the Ukrainians wants to keep fighting can't be true

"The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent, according to all intelligence services around the world," (Brigitte Gabriel)
Is this figure accurate?

Not according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.

 
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soulsurvivor

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Common Sense will give me that answer

Just imagine your country get bombed or nuked, and 10% of your neighbors their houses were already destroyed

And then the fear, that the next bomb lands next to you, ripping off arms and legs, but you don't die

Oh, and knowing Russia is a super power with maybe most of the nukes on earth.

How much you think you want this war to end?

More than 50% must be true
More than 75% probably too

>99% chance that it's not the normal people who start wars, and who benefit from wars. Large part of the country has been destroyed. 35000 Ukrainians died or are wounded

Not any sane person wants to have war. Dictators, psychopaths, Supremacists, ISIS like people want and start wars (maybe <5%). Normal people = >95% don't want war. Only those who earn money out of wars(like arms dealers etc.) and some who think it's a smart move (e.g. weaken Putins army)

And those polls are faked, telling the west that 73% (2022) of the Ukrainians want to fight, because if the number was below 50% then NATO + USA their so called help would not sound very convincing, and they wouldn't be able to sell their old (and new) weapens. Hence the news had to up their numbers


Radicals might like wars. Muslim radicals are said to be <1% or 15-25%. (see below) I don't think other radicals will be much more in number. If the correct number is 1% then 99% is normal, and doesn't want war. Hence 73% of the Ukrainians wants to keep fighting can't be true

"The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent, according to all intelligence services around the world," (Brigitte Gabriel)
Is this figure accurate?

Not according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.

Common sense tells me that if Russia attacks your country, you will run. Smart move! Lucky for us the British stood their ground in WWII.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Tell me where it is written in the New Testament that God will be merciful to the wicked.
Of course......just one of many.

Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you” (Luke 6:27–28)

Do you read the gospels?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not much freedom in a grave 6 feet under.

Russia has the resources to keep this going for several more years.
So you would give in to such an invasion by such people?
OK....... But you can't keep giving in to tyranny for ever. But then I guess you're somewhere safer than a Ukrainian, or a Latvian, or Lithuanian, or Estonian, or etc etc?

Comfy?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Of course......just one of many.

Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you” (Luke 6:27–28)

Do you read the gospels?
Precisely, that's why I am for peace and against war.

But peace is impossible, unless either belligerent part is disposed to forgive and start loving their own enemy.


As for the afterlife...God is not merciful to those who prefer to sow death and destruction. Just that.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Precisely, that's why I am for peace and against war.

But peace is impossible, unless either belligerent part is disposed to forgive and start loving their own enemy.


As for the afterlife...God is not merciful to those who prefer to sow death and destruction. Just that.
Love your enemies......!
After all, you are a Christian.....right?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Love your enemies......!
After all, you are a Christian.....right?
Listean dear sir...I want to be with pacifists and peaceful people in Paradise.

I don't want to be with warmongers who became billionaires just by selling warfare. :)
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Listean dear sir...I want to be with pacifists and peaceful people in Paradise.

I don't want to be with warmongers who became billionaires just by sending warfare. :)
Look, if you don't want to do what your God tells you to, just join with us pagan types and then you can hate..... all day long.
But if you cherry pick from what Jesus said then you might have joined with us without knowing it.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Look, if you don't want to do what your God tells you to, just join with us pagan types and then you can hate..... all day long.
But if you cherry pick from what Jesus said then you might have joined with us without knowing it.
I follow a very good priest, he wrote several books about the theology of Revelation.

Honestly I have never heard him saying that the wicked will go to Paradise.
Quite the opposite.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Common sense tells me that if Russia attacks your country, you will run. Smart move!
Hahaha

Common Sense tells me that if Russia attacks, then it's too late to run :), and then it's over with the smileys.
Lucky for us the British stood their ground in WWII.
Sadly, WW3 might be WW2³...Europe decimated

I think Holland might be Putin's first target, to test out a tiny nuclear bomb, to warn NATO that he means business, and as Holland is tiny, NATO will let that one slide, too scared to get a full blown nuclear war destroying all of Europe

England might be nr. 2 on Putins to do list, so you better be ready to swim

But my hope is that Trump will offer Putin a deal that's "good" for all parties. If of course the Biden administration doesn't mess things up before

Lucky for me, I've finished everything on my ToDo list. Though, I rather leave earth peacefully and not be nuked into Heaven. I pray I'll be warned a few days in advance
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I follow a very good priest, he wrote several books about the theology of Revelation.
That won't get in to Christian heaven, surely?

Honestly I have never heard him saying that the wicked will go to Paradise.
Quite the opposite.
Well I have listened to many priests and they said that the eucharist and belief can redeem anybody. Anybody can be saved, they said.

But to hope for anybody to have eternal damnation pain might put one right there ! :)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
,......
I think Holland might be Putin's first target, to test out a tiny nuclear bomb, to warn NATO that he means business, and as Holland is tiny, NATO will let that one slide, too scared to get a full blown nuclear war destroying all of Europe........
If Putin thinks we are all cowards, then we've had it, I reckon.
He's a bully-tyrant and kills anybody who opposes him, yes?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Common Sense will give me that answer

Just imagine your country get bombed or nuked, and 10% of your neighbors their houses were already destroyed

And then the fear, that the next bomb lands next to you, ripping off arms and legs, but you don't die

Oh, and knowing Russia is a super power with maybe most of the nukes on earth.

How much you think you want this war to end?

More than 50% must be true
More than 75% probably too

>99% chance that it's not the normal people who start wars, and who benefit from wars. Large part of the country has been destroyed. 35000 Ukrainians died or are wounded

Not any sane person wants to have war. Dictators, psychopaths, Supremacists, ISIS like people want and start wars (maybe <5%). Normal people = >95% don't want war. Only those who earn money out of wars(like arms dealers etc.) and some who think it's a smart move (e.g. weaken Putins army)

And those polls are faked, telling the west that 73% (2022) of the Ukrainians want to fight, because if the number was below 50% then NATO + USA their so called help would not sound very convincing, and they wouldn't be able to sell their old (and new) weapens. Hence the news had to up their numbers


Radicals might like wars. Muslim radicals are said to be <1% or 15-25%. (see below) I don't think other radicals will be much more in number. If the correct number is 1% then 99% is normal, and doesn't want war. Hence 73% of the Ukrainians wants to keep fighting can't be true

"The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent, according to all intelligence services around the world," (Brigitte Gabriel)
Is this figure accurate?

Not according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.


100% of citizens of france, belgium, etc... wanted WW2 to end as well.
But how many % of them do you think wanted to live under NAZI rule?

How many % of Ukrainians want to be colonized / occupied by Russians?
How many of them would like their government to be replaced with a Russian puppet and have Ukraine turned into a Belarus 2.0?

That is the real question.

That citizens don't want to be at war, seems to me to be a universal given for all citizens of all nations at all times.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
If Putin thinks we are all cowards, then we've had it, I reckon.
I didn't say nor imply we are all cowards

Just that nobody has a nuclear European death wish. And Putin might be better in Russian Roulette than Americans and Europeans
He's a bully-tyrant and kills anybody who opposes him, yes?
Well, then all Americans should be dead by now. All the Russian bans oppose Putin, as do all the weapons that are being sent to Ukraine

Or they are still on top of Putin's ToDo List
 

soulsurvivor

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Lucky for me, I've finished everything on my ToDo list. Though, I rather leave earth peacefully and not be nuked into Heaven. I pray I'll be warned a few days in advance
Even after 'finishing everything on your todo list', you seem more eager to save your own skin than to defend your country! Good luck with your fate.
 
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