Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Bulls also get old.
I do not see any problem in milking the cows. Does that affect the development of the calf? Generally the calf get better treatment, cute as they are.
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prohibition of eating beef in hinduism
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I do not see any problem in milking the cows. Does that affect the development of the calf? Generally the calf get better treatment, cute as they are.
Bulls also get old.
I do not see any problem in milking the cows. Does that affect the development of the calf? Generally the calf get better treatment, cute as they are.
Dairy cattle have been bred to make extra, and are like honey bees in that way. In the ethical dairies the calf gets what it needs first. In normal dairies where ethics isn't a consideration, but profit is, they get hacked up for veal.
Kalidas
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Its worse! They take the poor little calfs only a couple days after their born torn from mommy. Places in small mini house like containers and chained to the ground so they can't walk and "toughen" up the meat and are killed for veal its horrible... even when I ate meat I wouldn't eat veal. Seriously why eat a baby?
Same here, long before I stopped eating beef I shunned veal for that very reason. I wouldn't eat lamb either.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well, that is not done in most of India. They get milk from their mother, and get other things from their owners, Chapatis, fodder. So, we can say, they get weaned earlier.
And yet India (mostly from Islamic regions, I presume) is one of the largest beef exporters in the world, if not the largest. Veal is part of that.
Beef and Veal Meat Exports by Country in 1000 MT CWE - Country Rankings
Yes, me too. The possibilities are endless, aren't they? Gee, imagine if Hindus were treated like regular citizens.
ronki23
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Did you read this?
http://beef.sabhlokcity.com/
Going off-topic again but if the Vedas is what makes Hinduism Hinduism, did the consumption of beef and Hindu Gods/ the Mahabharat and Ramayan come from Aryans?
Because I was told Aryan invasion theory is not correct.
So is Arya Samaj the non-Aryan Hinduism without beef eating/deities?
http://beef.sabhlokcity.com/
Going off-topic again but if the Vedas is what makes Hinduism Hinduism, did the consumption of beef and Hindu Gods/ the Mahabharat and Ramayan come from Aryans?
Because I was told Aryan invasion theory is not correct.
So is Arya Samaj the non-Aryan Hinduism without beef eating/deities?
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The Tirukkural is around 2000 years old,and an entire Chapter is dedicated to abstaining from eating meat. So the idea has been around a long time. Whether one wants to ignore it or not is up to them. Generally people have a preconceived notion, and then find scriptural passages that support their own notion. (Just like I just did.)
From Tirukkural - definitely non-Aryan
- How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh?
- If you ask, "what is kindness and what is unkindness?" It is not-killing, and killing. Thus, eating flesh is never virtuous.
So this debate can go on and on and on. If you want to eat flesh, go for it. Nothing is stopping you. You don't need scripture, health reasons, or anything really. it's personal choice.
Here's an article I would recommend. http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm
From Tirukkural - definitely non-Aryan
- How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh?
- If you ask, "what is kindness and what is unkindness?" It is not-killing, and killing. Thus, eating flesh is never virtuous.
So this debate can go on and on and on. If you want to eat flesh, go for it. Nothing is stopping you. You don't need scripture, health reasons, or anything really. it's personal choice.
Here's an article I would recommend. http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Not just the Aryans, I would not agree that before coming of Aryans the whole of India was vegetarian. And there were invaders/migrants other than Aryans too. Much of the Persian influence was to the West of River Indus.
Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC), Macedonian Empire (330-323 BC), Seleucid Empire (312-63 BC), Parthian Empire (247 BC- 224 AD), Indo-Scythian Kingdom (200 BC–400 AD), Indo-Greek Kingdom (180 BC–10 AD), Indo-Parthian Kingdom (21–130s AD), Western Satrap Empire (35–405 AD), Kushan Empire (60–240 AD), Sasanian Empire (224-651 AD), Indo-Sassanid Kingdom (230–360 AD), Huna Kingdom (475–576 AD).
That is sort of new. No definite date for coming of Aryans, but they were comfortably settled in India in the late RigVedic time of Dasarajna war and drying up of River Saraswati. Therefore, prior to 2,000 BC.
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ronki23
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But if these Gods are not in the Vedas, do you get 'pure' Hinduism that is only Vedas and non of these other Gods? So that means no Ramayan or Mahabharat?
Where did these other Hods come from? Zoroastrianism has Indra but the others?
Unless the other Gods,Mahabharat and Raayan were 'localised' in India whilst Vedas were widespread
Because Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs say they are not a branch of Hinduism because they do not follow Vedas
Although Buddhists and Buddha ate meat-you only have to see Japan,Korea and S.E Asia (I would say China but it is an atheist country)
ronki23
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Hindu but eat all meat except beef, snake, monkey, elephant.
Believe in Jesus and Buddha too. And visit Gurudwara.
So I guess I'm a secular Hindu; not that there is a definitive Hinduism anyway
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
What do you mean by pure? Is any race pure? Is any philosophy pure? Are any Gods pure? The Gods before Moses influenced Judaism. Judaism and Paganism influenced Christianity, Judaism and Christianity influenced Islam. Talking of 'pure' is only ego. In case of Hinduism, Aryans influenced it, Buddhism and Jainism influenced it and they were in turn influenced by Hinduism. So we have Indra as well as Shiva. All Gods and Goddesses start as local deities.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
There is nothing such as a secular Hindu. Either you are a Hindu or secular. Yes, millions of Hindus visit Gurudwara and consider them just as sacrosanct as a temple, and rever Sikh Gurus like any of the Hindu sages.
sec·u·lar [sek-yuh-ler] (Dictionary.com)
adjective
1. of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal: secular interests.
2. not pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to sacred ): secular music.
3. (of education, a school, etc.) concerned with nonreligious subjects.
4. (of members of the clergy) not belonging to a religious order; not bound by monastic vows (opposed to regular ).
5. occurring or celebrated once in an age or century: the secular games of Rome.
Sb1995
Om Sai Ram
Lol that's me :yes::clap
So do you also find scripture to back up this lifestyle, or is it more just because that's the way you were raised?