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Proof of evolution -at last-

gnostic

The Lost One
Interesting point about human predecessors. Like parents closer to?? Gorillas? Bonobos? etc.
This is why no one take creationists seriously.

They (creationists) refused to studying or do some little researches on the subject, so they are make up silly scenarios that no biologists have ever claims.

Please, YoursTrue, cite scientific sources where biologists actually say that humans evolved directly from gorillas, bonobos or chimpanzees?

You really don’t understand the concept of common ancestry.

Humans, chimpanzees and gorillas do share common ancestors, but the species which all 3 evolve from, the species weren’t humans, weren’t chimpanzees and weren’t gorillas; the species in which they evolved from species that have some common physical traits, but they have been extinct for some times.

Making up false claims, is certainly not something to be proud of.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thus I apologise for having the audacity to doubt, even question, the holy grail of evolution and its prophet without having the necessary education and accreditation.
It does seem odd to declare that something is fundamentally flawed when one doesn't understand what it is that one's attacking,
consisting of at least 30.000 to 6 millions textual proof for evolution.
Whatever the correct number of scientific texts. they're necessary to make sense of the physical evidence.
"Creationists, that have no clue when it comes to the sciences, do not count.
To be fair, they're proclaiming an incoherent supernatural story and disregarding the evidence against them. As I mentioned, more than sixty years of modern creationism has resulted in not a single scientific scratch on the ToE.

Yet if creationism be correct, there MUST be evidence for it that will satisfy the impartial onlooker.

Instead, there are only claims of magic, and magic explains nothing unless and until we understand what magic is and how magic works.
The masses might have been wrong during the flood, but it's just a myth, in real life the majority is alway right, right?
No, not the majority,but the evidence against the Flood is overwhelming. We can go through it if you wish; for example it would require more than a billion cubic miles of water over and above the water presently on the earth.
 
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TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I recently posted a commentary titled "Darwin's Illusion".
Since I spoke more or less extemperaneously my comments reflected my sentiments rather than having the aspiration to be scientifically accurate in every way.

However, considering the small flood of "evidence" against my deliberations it seems I have to recant in shame and dishonor.

Thanks for the many comments that made clear to me that not being a biologist or a scientist of any description, and questioning the infallible opinions of scientists is a serious lack of diffidence.

Thus I apologise for having the audacity to doubt, even question, the holy grail of evolution and its prophet without having the necessary education and accreditation.

Additionally, I realise now how impious of me not to be content with the undeniable truth -as many replies pointed out- consisting of at least 30.000 to 6 millions textual proof for evolution.

I see now, how lacking the necessary humility compeled me to ask for an example of evidence, and understand clearly why no one was willing to offer such evidence, since I obviously would not have understood it, but also I should have realised the need to unquestionably follow the majority in the face of such grandiose and uncontestable truths.

Wait!
there was one commentator that obviously took pity with my dismal ignorance.
He boldly (boldly because he stand alone in this endeavor) offered a solid source of evidence concerning the discoverie of Archaeopteryx, a transition from dinosaurs to birds. The akward fact that this example was made redundant by a group of critiks who declared it a fraud is compensated by the fact that another more enlightend group contested this judgement.

Comments such as ...

"It astonishes me how anyone not living under a rock can be unaware of such a well supported, obvious, easily tested mechanism".
"Creationists, that have no clue when it comes to the sciences, do not count. You are listening to liars and idiots".
"Scientists have provided more than enough evidence for evolution".
"I think we have shown your ignorance about the matter and irrationality in discussing it that there is no chance your ideas will be taken serious by anyone".
"all papers support the core ideas, and thus confirm it, and no data contradicts it".
You have to prove that evolution is wrong, evolution is true, so it doesn't have to prove anything (my interpretation of this last comments).

...have really made me see the light.
(my apologies for not including more similar and encouraging comments)

I understand now that I lacked reasoning power by proudly assuming that the onus of proof laid with scientist when in reality I was the one having to prove that evolution did not take place.

In the face of such an avalanche of "belief there is proof" and emotion for the support of evolution as for Darwing elegant launch to deconstruct the belief in a creator, I see no alternative but to bend to the wisdom of the multitude.
The masses might have been wrong during the flood, but it's just a myth, in real life the majority is alway right, right?

Your many comments made me appreciate the need to revaluate my allegiance and switch to unquestionably follow the teachings of scientists since they are so much smarter and educated than me. Judging by your comments dare I say even yourselves ?

The question I pose myself now is, should I follow science as a substiture for religion ?
Should I leave the narrow road I've been indoctrinated to walk on or rather follow the broad road with the rest of mainstream humanity?

Or alternatively, should I wait until evolution becomes actually a real science rather ...
than (as one -pro evolution- comment puts it)
"an imaginative theory that many choose to accept at face value regardless of evidence against it" ?

Difficult question indeed.

You might want to review your other thread again.

Plenty of people pointed out errors you made in your OP (which by itself was actually already enough, since all your objections and statements were just wrong, crippling your entire case) and also provided you with correct explanations, links, video's, ... of all kinds of evolution related subjects.

So for you to come here and create a new thread by cherry picking a couple comments that made you feel buthurt, and thereby dishonestly pretend as if all other posts weren't part of the course, is pretty childish.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I believe in the conceptual framework of evolution as described by Darwin. Where I disagree is with the modern biology addenda, connected to randomness and chance; mutations. The main reason for my disagreement with the latter, is statistics is a watered down version of science, compared to rational science like was done by Darwin.

When one creates a rational theory to describe a phenomena, such as Einstein's theories of relativity, you reason it through, solve the equations and then run experiments. All the data points need to touch the curve when you do experiments. If there are any data points that do not touch, then the theory needs to be revised to include these.

With statistical modeling, none of the data has to touch the curve, since the method is built on fudge factors; margins of error. In this case, instead of starting with logic, like a rational theory, in statistical modeling you do the experiments first, without a theory, draw the best fit curve through the data and then develop theory, afterwards, which then does not have to touch the data points, except through the margins of error. This is watered down standard compared to rational modeling.

Darwin used a rational approach, when he formulated his theory of natural selection. It was based on observation and putting his theory to the test. He did not use the water down standard of modern biology, which is now be pushed as being equal to reason.

To give you an idea of how watered down this method can become and still be called science, there is area of statistics modeling called risk analysis. In this case, correlations, for example, small children are vulnerable to COVID, you only have to have 1 good data point in 1000, to be a considered a good statistical risk correlation. Talk about watered down.

Risk analysis will ignore the other 999 healthy children, who do not apply. Everyone is suppose to act as though 1in 1000 is rational. The term risk, draws in the emotion of fear, to help the brain become less rational, so it can accept this irrational proposition. All the mothers are worried for their children's safety and will comply to the irrational fear. Politicians like this since they do not have to think or reason as deep to get compliance.

The current version of evolution, is playing a similar game, of claiming infallibly, with a theory where the data does not even have to touch the curve, due to the built in fudge factoring implied by its approach. At the same time, it does not allow Creationism to use the same watered down standard. If none of the data points of Creationism reason, then why not also use fudge factors, like the science status quo.

Maybe someone can explain to us how fudge factors can make any theory better than rational? Statistics provide too many emotional excuses for why the theory should not be revised and updated, if one tries to use the rational standard, of perfect data fit.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I recently posted a commentary titled "Darwin's Illusion".
Since I spoke more or less extemperaneously my comments reflected my sentiments rather than having the aspiration to be scientifically accurate in every way.

However, considering the small flood of "evidence" against my deliberations it seems I have to recant in shame and dishonor.

Thanks for the many comments that made clear to me that not being a biologist or a scientist of any description, and questioning the infallible opinions of scientists is a serious lack of diffidence.

Thus I apologise for having the audacity to doubt, even question, the holy grail of evolution and its prophet without having the necessary education and accreditation.

Additionally, I realise now how impious of me not to be content with the undeniable truth -as many replies pointed out- consisting of at least 30.000 to 6 millions textual proof for evolution.

I see now, how lacking the necessary humility compeled me to ask for an example of evidence, and understand clearly why no one was willing to offer such evidence, since I obviously would not have understood it, but also I should have realised the need to unquestionably follow the majority in the face of such grandiose and uncontestable truths.

Wait!
there was one commentator that obviously took pity with my dismal ignorance.
He boldly (boldly because he stand alone in this endeavor) offered a solid source of evidence concerning the discoverie of Archaeopteryx, a transition from dinosaurs to birds. The akward fact that this example was made redundant by a group of critiks who declared it a fraud is compensated by the fact that another more enlightend group contested this judgement.

Comments such as ...

"It astonishes me how anyone not living under a rock can be unaware of such a well supported, obvious, easily tested mechanism".
"Creationists, that have no clue when it comes to the sciences, do not count. You are listening to liars and idiots".
"Scientists have provided more than enough evidence for evolution".
"I think we have shown your ignorance about the matter and irrationality in discussing it that there is no chance your ideas will be taken serious by anyone".
"all papers support the core ideas, and thus confirm it, and no data contradicts it".
You have to prove that evolution is wrong, evolution is true, so it doesn't have to prove anything (my interpretation of this last comments).

...have really made me see the light.
(my apologies for not including more similar and encouraging comments)

I understand now that I lacked reasoning power by proudly assuming that the onus of proof laid with scientist when in reality I was the one having to prove that evolution did not take place.

In the face of such an avalanche of "belief there is proof" and emotion for the support of evolution as for Darwing elegant launch to deconstruct the belief in a creator, I see no alternative but to bend to the wisdom of the multitude.
The masses might have been wrong during the flood, but it's just a myth, in real life the majority is alway right, right?

Your many comments made me appreciate the need to revaluate my allegiance and switch to unquestionably follow the teachings of scientists since they are so much smarter and educated than me. Judging by your comments dare I say even yourselves ?

The question I pose myself now is, should I follow science as a substiture for religion ?
Should I leave the narrow road I've been indoctrinated to walk on or rather follow the broad road with the rest of mainstream humanity?

Or alternatively, should I wait until evolution becomes actually a real science rather ...
than (as one -pro evolution- comment puts it)
"an imaginative theory that many choose to accept at face value regardless of evidence against it" ?

Difficult question indeed.

They Gooney Bird makes a fly by and dumps its smelly load, and than flies off into the sunset.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Going back to chimps again...
We're related but we ain't chimps, and the use of forensic science using both fossil and d.n.a. evidence clearly indicates this.There is vastly more evidence for this than the belief that you and I have that God exists, so why should we ignore what's objectively obvious and only go with that of which there is no objective evidence for whatsoever?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The current version of evolution, is playing a similar game, of claiming infallibly, with a theory where the data does not even have to touch the curve, due to the built in fudge factoring implied by its approach. At the same time, it does not allow Creationism to use the same watered down standard. If none of the data points of Creationism reason, then why not also use fudge factors, like the science status quo.
That is 100% false as we don't use "fudge factors" nor claim "infallibility". Actually, you are much more describing religion in general.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
I recently posted a commentary titled "Darwin's Illusion".
Since I spoke more or less extemperaneously my comments reflected my sentiments rather than having the aspiration to be scientifically accurate in every way.

However, considering the small flood of "evidence" against my deliberations it seems I have to recant in shame and dishonor.

Thanks for the many comments that made clear to me that not being a biologist or a scientist of any description, and questioning the infallible opinions of scientists is a serious lack of diffidence.

Thus I apologise for having the audacity to doubt, even question, the holy grail of evolution and its prophet without having the necessary education and accreditation.

Additionally, I realise now how impious of me not to be content with the undeniable truth -as many replies pointed out- consisting of at least 30.000 to 6 millions textual proof for evolution.

I see now, how lacking the necessary humility compeled me to ask for an example of evidence, and understand clearly why no one was willing to offer such evidence, since I obviously would not have understood it, but also I should have realised the need to unquestionably follow the majority in the face of such grandiose and uncontestable truths.

Wait!
there was one commentator that obviously took pity with my dismal ignorance.
He boldly (boldly because he stand alone in this endeavor) offered a solid source of evidence concerning the discoverie of Archaeopteryx, a transition from dinosaurs to birds. The akward fact that this example was made redundant by a group of critiks who declared it a fraud is compensated by the fact that another more enlightend group contested this judgement.

Comments such as ...

"It astonishes me how anyone not living under a rock can be unaware of such a well supported, obvious, easily tested mechanism".
"Creationists, that have no clue when it comes to the sciences, do not count. You are listening to liars and idiots".
"Scientists have provided more than enough evidence for evolution".
"I think we have shown your ignorance about the matter and irrationality in discussing it that there is no chance your ideas will be taken serious by anyone".
"all papers support the core ideas, and thus confirm it, and no data contradicts it".
You have to prove that evolution is wrong, evolution is true, so it doesn't have to prove anything (my interpretation of this last comments).

...have really made me see the light.
(my apologies for not including more similar and encouraging comments)

I understand now that I lacked reasoning power by proudly assuming that the onus of proof laid with scientist when in reality I was the one having to prove that evolution did not take place.

In the face of such an avalanche of "belief there is proof" and emotion for the support of evolution as for Darwing elegant launch to deconstruct the belief in a creator, I see no alternative but to bend to the wisdom of the multitude.
The masses might have been wrong during the flood, but it's just a myth, in real life the majority is alway right, right?

Your many comments made me appreciate the need to revaluate my allegiance and switch to unquestionably follow the teachings of scientists since they are so much smarter and educated than me. Judging by your comments dare I say even yourselves ?

The question I pose myself now is, should I follow science as a substiture for religion ?
Should I leave the narrow road I've been indoctrinated to walk on or rather follow the broad road with the rest of mainstream humanity?

Or alternatively, should I wait until evolution becomes actually a real science rather ...
than (as one -pro evolution- comment puts it)
"an imaginative theory that many choose to accept at face value regardless of evidence against it" ?

Difficult question indeed.

You've helped me to see the light as well. Obviously Durwin could not have been wrong and more than a century and a half of Peering at fossils have upheld 18th century Look and See Science. Alas, poor Yoric, I knew him well.

Is it a comedy or is it a farce?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This is why no one take creationists seriously.

They (creationists) refused to studying or do some little researches on the subject, so they are make up silly scenarios that no biologists have ever claims.

Please, YoursTrue, cite scientific sources where biologists actually say that humans evolved directly from gorillas, bonobos or chimpanzees?

You really don’t understand the concept of common ancestry.

Humans, chimpanzees and gorillas do share common ancestors, but the species which all 3 evolve from, the species weren’t humans, weren’t chimpanzees and weren’t gorillas; the species in which they evolved from species that have some common physical traits, but they have been extinct for some times.

Making up false claims, is certainly not something to be proud of.
I have corrected him/her on that one at least 5 times at this point.
Still repeating it though I see. o_O
 

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
I made it clear that in failure to use scientific scrutiny, the Evolutionist have only one argument to defend their religion.

The Theory of Evolution is no more of a religion than Heliocentric Theory or the Germ Theory of Disease.

Given that "religion" is an incredibly vague and ambiguous term, I don't doubt that you could find some definition of religion that would fit these, but what would be the point? It's clearly not the way most people use that word. And I doubt that religion is a dirty word for you. At best, you have a "tu quoque" fallacy.

let me assist you for I know that evolutionists believe they are more primitive than their children.

I don't think that's true? I think evolution is likely to be true and I don't think I'm more primitive than children. Actually, I don't believe that any species is "more primitive" than another one. Some might be less complex, but losing complexity can actually be adaptive depending on their environment.

There isn't really such a thing as "more evolved" or "less evolved." There are just the species that went extinct and the ones who are still around.

Evolutionists say: "Creationists are not scientists".
They completely ignore the fact that these creationists also have their PHD's etc.

You are correct. Some scientists are creationists. However, if you look at what creationist scientists have their PhD's in, it's almost always something like synthetic chemistry or engineering. It's almost never in any field relevant to biological evolution.

They also ignore the fact that the scientist who dont believe in evolution, does not do so because of lack of evidence for creation, but because of scientific lack of evidence and bias mixed with immagination, and self worshipping narsiscism by evolutionists who dont hesitate to push the simplest fossil down our throats as evidence that higher intelligent life and IQ developed from simple unguided natural processes.

This is the very definition of a "bad faith" argument. Until you can accept that both sides of this disagreement are interested in pursuing truth, you will always be blinded by your prejudice.

They will not hesitate to tell anyone that an extinct ape tooth, of scull, even if clearly not human, are humanoids and had human feet because we found human footprints 800 miles away from our ape scull.
Pure speculation.

These are not the primary forms of evidence for evolution. We have directly observed speciation and natural selection. Fossils are sort of ancillary.

Then we have creationists who point these falsifications out, and guess what they are accused off:...
Evolutionists force a position of authority upon evolutionary scientists, without any validation.
If perhaps you still dont understand what I mean, feel free to ask me for a better explanation on why I believe you did not understand what I wrote.
I will gladly assist.

There is a difference between a fallacious Appeal to Authority and deference to expert opinion in a given field.

I would be skeptical of any claim from a supposed authority figure, too, but if a scientist was to actually disprove evolution then they wouldn't be shut-out from the scientific community as a pariah. They would get a Nobel Prize.

There is genuine incentive for scientists to falsify evolution but they need to have evidence. Every scientist worth their salt already doubts every finding to some degree so introducing doubt does not add much to the discussion. Doubt is not enough to falsify, deny, or dismiss claims that are highly probable; you need evidence for that.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
No wonder that evolutionists cant grasp simple facts, such as your quote .(it was not my words.)
I didn't say it was your words, I said it was the only true thing in your post, which was factually correct, so irony that you assert (falsely) that educated people (evolutionists) can't grasp facts.

I made it clear that in failure to use scientific scrutiny, the Evolutionist have only one argument to defend their religion.
let me assist you for I know that evolutionists believe they are more primitive than their children.
Evolutionists say: "Creationists are not scientists".
They completely ignore the fact that these creationists also have their PHD's etc.
They also ignore the fact that the scientist who dont believe in evolution, does not do so because of lack of evidence for creation, but because of scientific lack of evidence and bias mixed with immagination, and self worshipping narsiscism by evolutionists who dont hesitate to push the simplest fossil down our throats as evidence that higher intelligent life and IQ developed from simple unguided natural processes.
They will not hesitate to tell anyone that an extinct ape tooth, of scull, even if clearly not human, are humanoids and had human feet because we found human footprints 800 miles away from our ape scull.
Pure speculation.
Then we have creationists who point these falsifications out, and guess what they are accused off:...
Evolutionists force a position of authority upon evolutionary scientists, without any validation.
If perhaps you still dont understand what I mean, feel free to ask me for a better explanation on why I believe you did not understand what I wrote.
I will gladly assist.
None of this is true. Some creationists might have PhD.s, like Michael Behe, but they still get basics in biology wrong because they have adopted a bad religious concept called creationism or intelligent design. Neither of these are true and valid.

Let's note that evolution and creationism won't be resolved on debate forums. These forums only distinguish the difference between those well educated in science and those indoctrinated by the religious views of creationism. The educated win by citing valid science. For creationists, your prayers don't get answered here either.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
The Theory of Evolution is no more of a religion than Heliocentric Theory or the Germ Theory of Disease.
The funny thing about creationists accusing evolution of being a religion is that they are admitting religion can be wrong. Since their creationism is actually a religion and actually false they are correct in that implication. They are of course wrong in saying biology is a religion.
 

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
As I see it here and elsewhere, there are a few problems in getting to a common understanding between evolutionists and creationists or theists or even simply intelligent design advocates.
#1 Everyone seems to be talking past each other. There's no evidence, your an idiot for believing, you don't understand science, there is evidence for, blah blah blah. Insults and innuendos with some references to sources to back up their claims which don't speak to whether or not the person doing the referencing understands the opposing arguments nor even their own.
#2 There is so much information to cover many find it hard to know where to begin, so they begin by being too broad in there discussion.
#3 I think a lot of times people fail to come to an agreement on the definitions of the terms they are discussing. A whole argument may take place simply because what was thought to be a commonly understood terms meaning was actually being interpreted differently by both parties.
#4 Not very many people on here seemingly actually gives a wallabies butt to try and understand the oppositions reasoning or how they have come to a particular conclusion deeming it easier to simply declare them wrong. Probably from being weary of having the same discussions with the same evidence presented in the same way to no avail. Which results in #1 over and over again.
#5 People are (afraid?), too embarrassed, too prideful, too arrogant, too something to be shown to be wrong no matter what your particular world view. Its a shock to the system on so many levels to have to change it.

The above being said I would like to say that I am an advocate of intelligent design - ask me what that means;). I am not totally convinced to the point of stopping thinking on the matter (I have my "dark night of the soul" moments) however that is the way I'm leaning. Ask me why;).
Could we possibly actually have a discussion about evolution and the opposing views by taking baby steps. By that I mean, first making sure we agree on the terms we are using and what they mean. Second by narrowing down the field and picking a particular aspect of evolution to discuss concerning disagreeing viewpoints. Like, the fossil record, or DNA evidence, or natural selection or mutation in the genome?
Thanks.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I
Creatinists are not real Scientists!
Wou dont find these evolutionists explaining why they deceived and lied, nope.
they only take a position of authority, and damn any evidence against their claims.

This is the biggest lie that creationist ministries manage to sell to their subscriptors.

Go look at the Dover trial.
One side (science) had mountains of evidence for evolution.
The other side had to redefine wat "science" is to be able to call their ID nonsense "science". The funny side-effect of this redefining is that suddenly astrology (you know: horoscopes and stuff) qualified as well. :rolleyes:

I find it hilarious that the evolutionists nev3er answer the observations on creationists, but simply attack and ignore them.

They were addressed head on at the Dover trial. They are addressed head on, always. But creationists tend to have selective memory.

Thats why I also do not accept evolution.
It is a religion with no evidence.

Right, right. And religions with no evidence are bad, off course.

So instead you believe bronze age tale about a first man and woman who didn't have biological parents who lived as immortals in a magical garden where they were convinced by the talking snake to eat a magic fruit they weren't supposed to eat and suddenly there was death and pestilance in the world.

Yes, yes, that sounds much better then a "religion with no evidence".

:rolleyes:
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
No wonder that evolutionists cant grasp simple facts, such as your quote .(it was not my words.)
I made it clear that in failure to use scientific scrutiny, the Evolutionist have only one argument to defend their religion.
let me assist you for I know that evolutionists believe they are more primitive than their children.
Evolutionists say: "Creationists are not scientists".
They completely ignore the fact that these creationists also have their PHD's etc.
They also ignore the fact that the scientist who dont believe in evolution, does not do so because of lack of evidence for creation, but because of scientific lack of evidence and bias mixed with immagination, and self worshipping narsiscism by evolutionists who dont hesitate to push the simplest fossil down our throats as evidence that higher intelligent life and IQ developed from simple unguided natural processes.
They will not hesitate to tell anyone that an extinct ape tooth, of scull, even if clearly not human, are humanoids and had human feet because we found human footprints 800 miles away from our ape scull.
Pure speculation.
Then we have creationists who point these falsifications out, and guess what they are accused off:...
Evolutionists force a position of authority upon evolutionary scientists, without any validation.
If perhaps you still dont understand what I mean, feel free to ask me for a better explanation on why I believe you did not understand what I wrote.
I will gladly assist.

Not sure what you are saying.

Are you saying that we should listen to the marginal 0.X % of scientists who's views deviate completely from the scientific consensus and who yet have to publish a single paper supporting these views?

Or are you saying that there is some kind of "conspiracy" among millions of scientists to push a certain specific theory in biology for some reason?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
The above being said I would like to say that I am an advocate of intelligent design - ask me what that means;). I am not totally convinced to the point of stopping thinking on the matter (I have my "dark night of the soul" moments) however that is the way I'm leaning. Ask me why;).
Could we possibly actually have a discussion about evolution and the opposing views by taking baby steps. By that I mean, first making sure we agree on the terms we are using and what they mean. Second by narrowing down the field and picking a particular aspect of evolution to discuss concerning disagreeing viewpoints. Like, the fossil record, or DNA evidence, or natural selection or mutation in the genome?
Thanks.

@sayak83 already agreed to walk through an evolutionary biology textbook with the OP. I assume he'd do the same with you?

Or you could simply go take a course on the subject from an accredited university and ask the professor your questions.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I
The current version of evolution, is playing a similar game, of claiming infallibly, with a theory where the data does not even have to touch the curve, due to the built in fudge factoring implied by its approach. At the same time, it does not allow Creationism to use the same watered down standard. If none of the data points of Creationism reason, then why not also use fudge factors, like the science status quo.

What the fudge are you talking about?

Maybe someone can explain to us how fudge factors can make any theory better than rational? Statistics provide too many emotional excuses for why the theory should not be revised and updated, if one tries to use the rational standard, of perfect data fit.

Maybe you should explain what you mean with an example, because I have no clue what your point is.

Evolution theory makes plenty of predictions that can be checked out. What are you talking about that data "doesn't have to touch the curve"?

Ever heared about tiktaalik?
Found by prediction. Prediction included age, habitat and main anatomical features.
Predicted transitional of a fish to land-animal. A "fish-apod", which is exactly what tiktaalik turned out to be.

And that's just one fossil.
Each dna string we sequence is a test of our ancestry.
 

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
@sayak83 already agreed to walk through an evolutionary biology textbook with the OP. I assume he'd do the same with you?

Or you could simply go take a course on the subject from an accredited university and ask the professor your questions.
Thanks for pointing out that user...I will see if they wish to engage with me. It should be quite enlightening.
 
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