Proof of God (Alphabet Found on Butterfly Wings) Photographed by Smithsonian Institute

[McBell]

Nothing exists by itself, from randomness, it has to be created, organized, designed, etc.

Nothing exists from nothing...

Let us run with this....
From what did god come from?
I mean, nothing comes from nothing, right?
Who created, organized, designed, etc. god?

 

[FFH]

Let us run with this....
From what did god come from?
I mean, nothing comes from nothing, right?
Who created, organized, designed, etc. god?

Our spirit and physical bodies were created by an intelligent being to give us form and function.

Our intelligence has always existed, but without form.

We could assume possibly, God as an intelligent being (without form), created his spirit body, then his physical body, just as he created our spirit bodies, then our physical bodies, to give form to our intelligence.

Intelligence has always existed, God being the intelligence that has created all things.

We as intelligent beings have created many things, so it is with God.

 

[Meow Mix]

Butterfly Alphabet - Wiki

Ok, your own source shows that it's nothing special. Let me quote the ENTIRE page that the wiki article refers to, and then highlight some interesting parts:

The Butterfly Alphabet is a photographic work done by the Norwegian born photographer Kjell B. Sandved. Sandved worked at National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution, Washington D.C. and by chance he came up with the idea, finding all the letters of the Latin alphabet and the Arabic numerals 0 to 9 in the patterns on the wings of butterflies.
His photographic excursions led him to Brazil, Congo, Papua New Guinea and Philippines. In 1975, he finished his alphabet, and published it in the Smithsonian Magazine.

Red highlight added by me.

Lo and behold, it's clear that a person took years to finish his alphabet and numeric symbols by studying butterflies from around the world.

Why does this strike you as amazing?

I guarantee that if you go into your backyard and really look at the grass, you will by sheer chance find grass in the shape of English letters and Arabic integers.

This is asinine. Did you bother reading the article or have you ever taken a course on statistics?

 

[FFH]

Did you bother reading the article or have you ever taken a course on statistics?

I understand that if you look hard enough you'll find certain patterns in any object that may resemble numbers or letters or other objects.

Random patterns made by chance or intelligent design ???

An intelligent being designed the pattern on the wing, even if it was not intended to look like or resemble a letter or number.

 

[Meow Mix]

I understand that if you look hard enough you'll find certain patterns in any object that may resemble numbers or letters or other objects.

Random patterns made by chance or intelligent design ???

An intelligent being designed the pattern on the wing, even if it was not intended to look like or resemble a letter or number.

So, are you abandoning your argument now that the design is "proof?"

You say on one hand that random patterns in any object may resemble numbers or letters, then on the other hand you still seem to claim that it's designed.

Take a good, hard look at any wooden doors in your house and tell me that you don't find any designs that resemble letters, numbers, faces, or anything like that. Unless you're kidding yourself, I guarantee you'll find something that looks like something.

This is what minds like ours do: we're so used to abstracting things that we can abstract a letter or number or face out of anything. Hell, for centuries humans have abstracted a "face" on the moon -- also a "scorpion," depending on your culture.

What you have presented is not proof of anything other than if you look at enough random patterns on enough butterflies that you can eventually complete the alphabet. That's entirely unimpressive. I can take photos of my back yard's grass and find the entirety of the alphabet.

 

[hummingbird09]

An intelligent being designed the pattern on the wing, even if it was not intended to look like or resemble a letter or number.

So now they are not intended to look like letters or numbers?

And for the intelligent being designing these patterns, you do not have any proof for that. Fortunatley, science and evolution are on our sides for this one.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

This is what minds like ours do: we're so used to abstracting things that we can abstract a letter or number or face out of anything. Hell, for centuries humans have abstracted a "face" on the moon -- also a "scorpion," depending on your culture.

What you have presented is not proof of anything other than if you look at enough random patterns on enough butterflies that you can eventually complete the alphabet. That's entirely unimpressive. I can take photos of my back yard's grass and find the entirety of the alphabet.

Actually, this is proof of design.

 

[McBell]

Our spirit and physical bodies were created by an intelligent being to give us form and function.

Our intelligence has always existed, but without form.

We could assume possibly, God as an intelligent being (without form), created his spirit body, then his physical body, just as he created our spirit bodies, then our physical bodies, to give form to our intelligence.

Intelligence has always existed, God being the intelligence that has created all things.

We as intelligent beings have created many things, so it is with God.

But where did intelligence come from?
Something cannot come from nothing, remember?

 

[Dan4reason]

Butterfly Alphabet - Wiki

I used a dice function on my calculator and I found some interesting results.
I found that many unusual combinations of numbers when I rolled this dice and I
doubt that it rolls randomly.

Here are some combinations.

3366, 121363, 22444, 33544533, 441116633, 11166332622336222, 4524245, 236444632, 225522, 522544544, 6226, 5555, 6116, 66566, 5151

The 5555 combination has .01286% chance of happening or 1 in 7776. The 236444632 and the 33544533 individually have a .0000099229% chance of happening or 1 in 10,077,696. It is almost impossible that these events cannot be random right? Wrong.

Here is the collection of rolls I got these improbable event from.

46442533423366235245233614622351213635531322444525233544533444
54561355545162531321356253623561364411166332622336222543624244
54214524651452424513615535662364446322552254454424622615555352
56313222561161463355411531415523665664643516313412536231145151

The reason these events happened is that there are so many ways for a 'miraculous' collection of rolls to take place and when these are enough rolls made it is almost 100% likely some strange number combination.

When it comes to butterflies I noticed that many of those letters were shaped very funny so there were many possible ways to display something that looked like each letter. Since there are so many butterflies and each butterfly has so many combinations on its wings, it is almost 100% likely that there would be some form of some letter on some butterfly's wing by chance.

It is not a miracle that we find the english alphabet on butterfly wings. It would be a miracle if we never found anything like an english letter on a butterfly's wing.

I will be seeking a graduate degree in statistics and already know much about it. At the very beginning you are taught about how pattern appear in random series. If there were no patterns in a series that is claimed to be random, then you know that it is a forgery. Here is a paper that talkes about random patterns.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/neuroeconomics/pdfs/sh02nn.pdf

 

[jmvizanko]

I understand that if you look hard enough you'll find certain patterns in any object that may resemble numbers or letters or other objects.

Random patterns made by chance or intelligent design ???

An intelligent being designed the pattern on the wing, even if it was not intended to look like or resemble a letter or number.

Did the intelligent being also design the pretty and complex surface of water on the lake outside my window too, or are you ok with realizing that that is just a product of physical law, such as wind, water tension, gravity, etc? Life and its diversity is at heart the same thing. Its a swirl of matter and energy obeying simple laws. And simple systems and rules can easily lead to amazing complexity. None of it need be "designed."

 

[Twig pentagram]

Butterfly Alphabet - Wiki

Nice try.

 

[Jeremiah]

How do you know that aliens didn't make the alphabet butterflies?

 

[logician]

Where's E=MC squared?

 

[FFH]

But where did intelligence come from?
Something cannot come from nothing, remember?

I believe intelligence and matter have always existed and that a higher intelligence than myself organized matter and made the universe, earth, ourselves, animals, plants, etc.

A divine designer created all things from existing unorganized matter.

He made something (this universe and everything in it) out of nothing (unorganized matter).

 

[McBell]

I believe intelligence and matter have always existed and that a higher intelligence than myself organized matter and made the universe, earth, ourselves, animals, plants, etc.

A divine designer created all things from existing unorganized matter.

So intelligence and matter are nothing?
Because if they are a something, then they had to come from something else.
That is your argument, remember?

If you are going to make an argument then allow for exceptions to said argument merely to accommodate your beliefs, your argument is not very convincing.

 

[PolyHedral]

I believe intelligence and matter have always existed and that a higher intelligence than myself organized matter and made the universe, earth, ourselves, animals, plants, etc.

Matter implies the Higgs' field. The Higg's Field implies the rest of physics. There are no further prerequisites for the universe we see. Organisation is an illusion generated by your own pattern-matching abilities.

And at no point is a designer necessary.

 

[FFH]

So intelligence and matter are nothing?
Because if they are a something, then they had to come from something else.
That is your argument, remember?

If you are going to make an argument then allow for exceptions to said argument merely to accommodate your beliefs, your argument is not very convincing.

Somebody (intelligence) had to organize matter in order to form what we see today.

Something (butterfly) cannot be formed by nothing (no intelligence).

Something (butterfly) never develops from nothing (unorganized matter). There has to be an intelligent designer to organize and program matter to develop or form into an organized living or non-living thing.

 

[Father Heathen]

Good ol' FFH.

 

[Revoltingest]

I used that very same alphabet to make this sentence:
"No gods for me, thanx"

Still....pretty cool looking letters.

 

[PolyHedral]

Something (butterfly) never develops from nothing (unorganized matter). There has to be an intelligent designer to organize and program matter to develop or form into an organized living or non-living thing.

You know that there's nothing inherent about "organisation", right? The hexadecimal number 0x5f3759df is just a random number... until you know what it's used for. The organization only appears when you know the surrounding context, it's not embedded anywhere in the information itself.