Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
You're pushing it too far. The God of the Bible is A personal God, but not the only such concept.
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proof of god's inexistence?
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tomasortega
Active Member
please tell me other such concepts.
The term I used in post #5 was 'juvenile' ...
Let's try this once again:
- Christianity is a set of theologies.
- That is, Christianity is a set of views on the nature and attributes of God.
- These views may be entirely correct, partially correct, or entirely incorrect.
- But even an entirely inaccurate view of God does not constitute proof of the non-existence of God, only a failure to properly apprehend It.
It is wholly irrelevant. Even if all views were inaccurate that would not constitute "proof of god's inexistence."
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Hard polytheism, for one.
One concept with which you might wish to familiarize yourself is the logic fallacy termed denial of the antecedent.
tomasortega
Active Member
why is this so hard to understand?
if the bible definintion/description of a god is false, then a god as described by that FALSE bible definition does not exist.
if a report of a roof damage is deemed false by a roof repair man, then that certain roof damage does not exist.
if the bible definintion/description of a god is false, then a god as described by that FALSE bible definition does not exist.
if a report of a roof damage is deemed false by a roof repair man, then that certain roof damage does not exist.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
For your convenience: Denying the Antecedent.
tomasortega
Active Member
i already said numerous times that i dont care wether a god actually exists, what i care about is wether or not a personal god exists.
Brilliant ...
So what? First ...Second, even if all known concepts were shown to be false, that would not constitute "proof of [a personal] god's inexistence." You just don't get ... :slap:
p ::= Christianity
q ::= Personal Deity
if p then q does not prove, imply, or otherwise support the contention that if not p then not q
q ::= Personal Deity
if p then q does not prove, imply, or otherwise support the contention that if not p then not q
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Mind your p's and q's. :biglaugh:
STOP THAT :slap:
Suppose that I were to make the claim that those who vote for Barack Obama will gain the ability to fly like superman.
Now consider that we have established the fact that many people did vote for Obama, and also that none of them have gained the ability to fly like superman. Would this prove that Barack Obama does not exist?
This is exactly the kind of logic you are trying to use here. You have not proven that God does not exist, you have not even proven that a personal God does not exist. All you have shown is that this one Biblical statement does not seem to be true. (Just like it is not true that those who vote for Obama will gain the ability of flight).
How about one exactly like that described in the Bible except for this one statement.
I also want to tell you that I do not believe in any kind of God personal or not. I agree with your conclusion, but your logic is very flawed.
I think there's a very simple answer to all of this: we're humans and therefore limited, therefore we can never know until the time of our physical deaths whether or not there is a God. We don't have the ability to know whatsoever, and no technology we can even conceive of in the future can say so or not, because let's face it, if God is infallible and omnipotent, He can hide his existence from us forever, if He so chose. See how easy that is? Still, though, without having any kind of personal experiences, I just think there's far too little we can know as mortal beings about our own planet and space and whatever other dimensions there may be that this life is the end of the line. I simply don't think there is such a thing as oblivion.
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Tomas -
Your argument fails (logically speaking) on several points, not the least of which is that you are trying to prove a universal negative. From a purely logical standpoint, this is just not possible.
There are other flaws in your argument, but they are really moot, due to that basic limitation.
Your argument fails (logically speaking) on several points, not the least of which is that you are trying to prove a universal negative. From a purely logical standpoint, this is just not possible.
There are other flaws in your argument, but they are really moot, due to that basic limitation.
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
You appear to be a pretty logical guy, Dru. What have you seen that makes you believe that there is something other than oblivion awaiting us?
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
That is not God. That is the God of the Bible.
Trying to disprove God by grasping at straws.
Anti-thesisofreason
Explorer
So whats your point other than you don't believe the god of the Bible exists?
Are you looking for approval or what?
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