Proof of Islam?

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

"Then said Gangleri: “Exceeding many names have ye given him; and, by my faith, it must indeed be a goodly wit that knows all the lore and the examples of what chances have brought about each of these names.” Then Hárr made answer: “It is truly a vast sum of knowledge to gather together and set forth fittingly. But it is briefest to tell thee that most of his names have been given him by reason of this chance: there being so many branches of tongues in the world, all peoples believed that it was needful for them to turn his name into their own tongue, by which they might the better invoke him and entreat him on their own behalf. But some occasions for these names arose in his wanderings; and that matter is recorded in tales. Nor canst thou ever be called a wise man if thou shalt not be able to tell of those great events." Gylfaginning, XX,Brodeur’s translationOdin (Old Norse Óðinn), the chief god of Norse mythology, was referred to by more than 200 names[1] in the skaldic and Eddic traditions. "

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“A single name have I never had since first among men I fared”. "

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Tezcatlipoca had many epithets which alluded to different aspects of his deity: Titlacauan/ˌtɪtləˈkaʊən/ ("We Are His Slaves"), Ipalnemoani ("He by Whom We Live"), Necoc Yaotl ("Enemy of Both Sides"), Tloque Nahuaque ("Lord of the Near and the Nigh") and Yohualli Èhecatl ("Night, Wind"), Ome Acatl[6] ("Two Reed"), Ilhuicahua Tlalticpaque ("Possessor of the Sky and Earth").[7] "

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Achyuta = One who never falls from his position, immovable
Arisudana = Slayer of enemies

Bhuta Bhavan =Origin of all beings
Bhutesh = Lord of all beings
Deva Deva = God of all beings
Jagatpati = Ruler of the worlds

Janardana = Annihilator of ignorance, liberator of men
Visveshvara = Lord of the universe
Hrishikesha = Master of the senses

Jaganivasa = Source of universe
Yogeswara = God of Yoga
Vishnu = Omnipresent

Paramtapa = Oppressor of the enemies
Anakan =sinless
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Bhagavad Gita,
Chapter 10, Verse 3
He who knows Me as the unborn, as the beginningless, as the Supreme Lord of all the worlds-he, undeluded among men, is freed from all sins.

Chapter 10, Verse 4-5
Intelligence, knowledge, freedom from doubt and delusion, forgiveness, truthfulness, self-control and calmness, pleasure and pain, birth, death, fear, fearlessness, nonviolence, equanimity, satisfaction, austerity, charity, fame and infamy are created by Me alone.

Chapter 10, Verse 6
The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages and the Manus [progenitors of mankind] are born out of My mind, and all creatures in these planets descend from them.

Chapter 10, Verse 7
He who knows in truth this glory and power of Mine engages in unalloyed devotional service; of this there is no doubt.

Chapter 10, Verse 8
I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.

Chapter 10, Verse 9
The thoughts of My pure devotees dwell in Me, their lives are surrendered to Me, and they derive great satisfaction and bliss enlightening one another and conversing about Me.

Chapter 10, Verse 10
To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.

Chapter 10, Verse 11
Out of compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.

Chapter 10, Verse 12-13
Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Narada, Asita, Devala, and Vyasa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.


Chapter 10, Verse 32
Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.

Chapter 10, Verse 33
Of letters I am the letter A, and among compounds I am the dual word. I am also inexhaustable time, and of creators I am Brahma, whose manifold faces turn everywhere.

Chapter 10, Verse 34
I am all-devouring death, and I am the generator of all things yet to be. Among women I am fame, fortune, speech, memory, intelligence, faithfulness and patience.

Chapter 10, Verse 35
Of hymns I am the Brhat-sama sung to the Lord Indra, and of poetry I am the Gayatri verse, sung daily by brahmanas. Of months I am November and December, and of seasons I am flower-bearing spring.

Chapter 10, Verse 36
I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.


Chapter 10, Verse 38
Among punishments I am the rod of chastisement, and of those who seek victory, I am morality. Of secret things I am silence, and of the wise I am wisdom.

Chapter 10, Verse 39
Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being-moving or unmoving-that can exist without Me.

Chapter 10, Verse 40
O mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences.

Chapter 10, Verse 41
Know that all beautiful, glorious, and mighty creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.

Chapter 10, Verse 42
But what need is there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I posted this elsewhere but it may be relevant here as well:

Ahura Mazda (Lord Wise) and El or Elohim, Ellaha, Allah, and many other names are given to refer to a concept with the same general concept and deeds, the God of Everything, Creator of thr World(s).

One can review names and epithets of these to see similarities.

If someone in one country refers to the Sun in their language and another to the Sun in a different language, we determine if the same concept is being referred to by the way the descriptions of the Being and its Acts are described.

Each of these terms seems to refer to One and the same God and general concept, despite any minor differences or associated concepts or symbols, they are all supposed to and thought ti refer to the Creator and Judge who brings Justice and Issues Decrees and Teaches Goodness and Righteous Conduct.

The epithets and themes associated with each term for God give one the impression the same concept is being referred to, just like if different languages were being used to speak of anything else mutually intelligible between them, like the Sky or Water, the idea of the Supreme God was quite common across the world.

Some things for you to enjoy!

Resources:

Jewish (EL):
Names of God in Judaism

More Information:
Old Testament Understand of the Names of God | Xenos Christian Fellowship

Suffix El:
Hebrew names that end on El

Prefix El:
Hebrew names that start with El

Suffix Yah:
Hebrew names that end on Yah

Prefix Yah:
Hebrew names that start with Yah

General Names:
Biblical (All) Names - Behind the Name

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Yazatas:
Zoroastrianism - Catalogs - Yazatas - Citizendium
and
ANGELS: Zoroastrian

Daevas:
The Destructive Spirit and the Daevas in the early Gathic Avestan Worldview

Angels:
20000-NAMES.COM: Angel Names, Messenger Names--meaning, origin, etymology

Demons:
375 Male Demon Names & Meanings | Demon Names

Massive Esoteric Occult List:
Index of Angel names, magical words, and names of God

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Christian (Elaha):
https://christiananswers.net/dictionary/namesofgod.html

Islamic (Allah):
99 Names of Allah (Al Asma Ul Husna) - Meaning & Explanation

Zoroastrian (Ahura Mazda):
AHURAMAZDA.COM - ZOROASTRIAN WEBSITE

Vedic:
100 Names of God

Saivite (Shiva):
Shiva's Names - 108 Shiva Names With Meanings

Vaisnavite (Vishnu):
1000 NAMES OF LORD VISHNU WITH MEANINGS.

Avalokitesvara:
108 names of Avalokiteshvara for Love, Kindness, and Compassion – Mandalas Life

Forged Letters Representing Early Islam and Late Sassanid Zoroastrianism:
Letters between Caliph Omar ibn Hattab and Yazdegerd III

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Zeus:
ZEUS - THE EPITHETS - www.HellenicGods.org
and
https://polytheistramblings.wordpress.com/2017/10/07/zeuss-mdt-day-7-names-epithets/

Poseidon:
http://www.hellenicgods.org/poseidon-the-epithets
and
https://polytheistramblings.wordpress.com/2017/08/07/poseidons-mdt-day-7-names-epithets/amp/

Apollo:
https://thedelphiguide.com/apollos-epithets/
and
http://www.hellenicgods.org/apollon-epithets

General Greek Pantheon:
https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/epithets.html

Odin:
https://pantheon.org/articles/o/odins_names.html
and
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_Odin

Thor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_Thor

Loki:
https://grumpylokeanelder.wordpress...heiti-and-other-alternate-names-for-loki/amp/

 

[Duncan]

I think Bertrand Russell died peacefully.
It is very unfortunate that they cannot coexist.

Dont take me wrong, Islam and Hinduism are different, That`s what I meant by can`t coexist with one another, you cant follow Islam and Hinduism and Sikhism. However can a Hindu be a neighbor of a Muslim, can they leave together, absolutely.

I mean when you read the Hindu scripture you find some similarity. Did you know that the name of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was mentioned in the Hindu and sikh scripture?

 

[Aupmanyav]

You take the bable of Zakir Naik as scholarship? Bhavishya Purana does contain some real old material, but not the portion which is in discussion (Pratisaqrgaparvan). This is sort of an open section, where people could add a verse or two of Sanskrit. I hope someone will add a verse or two about Donald Trump also.

The title Bhavishya means "future" and implies it is a work that contains prophecies regarding the future, however, the "prophecy" parts of the extant manuscripts are a modern era addition and hence not an integral part of the Bhavishya Purana. Those sections of the surviving manuscripts that are dated to be older, are partly borrowed from other Indian texts such as Brihat Samhita and Shamba Purana. The veracity and authenticity of much of the Bhavishya Purana has been questioned by modern scholars and historians, and the text is considered an example of "constant revisions and living nature" of Puranic genre of Hindu literature.

However, some of the caste-related and women's rights related discussion in the Bhavishya Purana is egalitarian and challenge those found in the 19th-century published manuscripts of the Manusmriti.
>> The Brahmaparvan part of the Bhavishya Purana includes a 169 chapters compendium of Surya (Sun god) related literature, that overlaps with Zoroastrianism-related views. These Sun-related sections are a notable and important part of the Bhavishya Purana, and it may be related to the migration or interaction between people of Persia and central Asia with those in Indian subcontinent. <<
Bhavishya Purana - Wikipedia

>> Alf Hiltebeitel, who has researched these claims and translated and summarized this part of the Bhavisya Purana, considers that 1839 marks the terminus a quo (completed after year) for the text's history of the Mughals and the same terminus a quo would apply to Pratisargaparvan's first khanda Genesis-Exodus sequence, and the diptych in the section concerning "Isha Putra" (Jesus Christ) and Muhammad in its third chapter. Further, mention of Queen Victoria's palaces, Calutta and several 18th century historic events place the terminus ad quem (completed before year) at mid to late 19th Century. Hiltebeitel states that this part of the Bhavisya Purana was mostly likely composed in the 19th century. <<
Bhavishya Purana - Wikipedia

Dont take me wrong, Islam and Hinduism are different, That`s what I meant by can`t coexist with one another, you cant follow Islam and Hinduism and Sikhism. However can a Hindu be a neighbor of a Muslim, can they leave together, absolutely.

I completely agree to this. Hindus and Muslims have lived together peacefully and enriched each other's lives in India and will continue to live together in future, despite the machinations of Muslim extremists.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity, Judaism, even sects of Buddhism, Taoism are not difficult to Monotheize, because they are monotheistic. It doesn't mean you'll be following their leaders or every nuance of their developed practices, but where each says There is Only One God or 2+2=4 is one going to throw those parts in the trash because its coming out of some other mouth in some other tongue?

They are without much snipping, very much compatible writings and scriptures.

The Guru Granth Sahib of Sikhism says momotheistic things, the founder was close to a Muslim guy.

The Qur'an is also pretty open about saying all the world received the message repeatedly, and there is ample evidence of that in large portions of these sctiptures and ancient writings.

So one can simply take all they can, leave out what they can't or don't want to, and you've got practically every religion under your belt.

Only foolish people with little understanding subscribed to extreme literalism or believe in anthropomorphic limited cartoon "gods".

There were Muslims who were Vedic, Muslims who knew the teachings of Jesus, Muslims who were Roman, Gaul, Celtic, Norse, Chinese, Taoist, Buddhist Muslims worshipping Allah as the Primordial One the Adi Buddha or Dharmakaya, there have always been Muslims, among the Aztecs, among the other Native American tribes.

God doesn't abandon these people or create them in the far flung places without guiding them and giving them the message, and he gives it to them through everything, and inspires them, and speaks through all their experiences that they receive. There are Muslims and there are Kaffirs, everywhere.

Among the Muslims there are Kaffir "Muslims", just like among the people off in the middle of nowhere who are cut off in remote places Allah guides some of them and they then are Muslims without ever knowing this word.

You only have the luck and favor to have been given a book and a clear guide and not developed a resistance to it, but in that very book if one also uses their faculties to think, it says what I'm saying too, that Allah is not limited in who is guided or where, and if you make it to Paradise insha'Allah, you'll see that Allah guided and whispered inspiration and knowledge into people throughout the generations in the far flung places, that they called and referred to Allah by names other than Allah too but were referring to the same concept just like every language had a word for the sun and the moon.

 

[Tokita]

Hello Tokita hope you are doing well. so Islam is a religion of violence, is that correct?

All is well thanking God.
It is better to let the action speak. I also refer people to study the Hadith. It is very interesting, full of primitive ty thinking, superstitions, and wars. Outside the Hadith, there is nothing historical that speaks of a Prophet named Mohammad and his deeds. From a historical point of view, however, there is a great number of massacres by Muslims in the name of the religion, and to make all believe in Allah the way they do. For example, there had been over 80 million Christians killed by Muslims so far in the Balkan states, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia. The number of Muslim slaughters of Hindus also exceeds 80 million. The Muslim historian Firistha wrote that Muslims slaughtered over 400 million Hindus. In summary, The Muslim genocide of non-Muslims in the history of the religion exceeds over 600 million people.
Should you ask, in Christianity as well there had been killings. However, they were never to revenge for God. "Revenge is mine, says the Lord". God is capable of taking care of Himself and does not need people to do the killing for Him. He is loving, forgiving, and peace promoters. The killings that were done by Christians were the very sins of man. Not ordered by God. Muslim killings, however, were ordered by God.
As a counter-argument, Muslims always defend their positions by pointing to what the crusaders did. But who created the crusaders and their reactions were a result of What? Weren't they borne as a result of what Muslims did and intended to do to the Holy Places? Look at Turkey for instance. All churches were taken and converted into mosques.
In closing, religion pf peace does not promote hatred of those who are different or those who do not believe the say way. Religion of peace promotes tolerance, love, and understanding of human differences.
I have no hatred for Muslims but hate religion. As Christians, there are good and bad people. This earth is for all of the humans and we should be open to discussing our differences and let our creator decide the end.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

despite the machinations of Muslim extremists.

Ahem, there are other violent extremists besides "Muslim Extremists" aren't there? If the extremists from other ideologies and religions get to be "Not Really" whatever they claim they are, then the "Muslim" Extremists aren't Muslims. Or we aren't playing fair here?

Hinduism and Terror - by Paul Marshall

Just like I said Muslims (Those who Surrender to Bhagwan) and Kaffirs (Those who conceal and are concealed from comprehending the Truth), exist in every place and speak different languages, so too are the Zalim (Cruel) murderers and mad-men in every place.

Hinduism and Terror - by Paul Marshall

Most Terrorist Victims Are Muslim | Pacific Standard

Saffron terror - Wikipedia

Oh neat, they get to be called "saffron" instead of "Hindu" while the others get called "Islamic" directly instead of "Shwarma" or something.

Muslims, typically poor and starving ones are the ones killed by the majority of violence and terror, such as wars attributed to terrorism and terroristic acts against civillians.

Violent Far-Right Extremists Are Rarely Prosecuted as Terrorists

Buddhism and violence - Wikipedia

Buddhist extremism: Meet the violent followers of a religion widely known for its pacifism - ABC News

Violent Buddhist extremists are targeting Muslims in Sri Lanka

The Samjhauta acquittals: Hindu terror goes unpunished in India

This is opened good old fashioned persecution and oppression.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I have no hatred for Muslims but hate religion. As Christians, there are good and bad people.

Oh, you don't hate Muslims? You're one of the lucky few? You just say the Muslims are killing millions upon millions throughout history and then tack on "but I don't hate them" lol. Why don't you hate them? You don't hate Hitler either? Stalin? Pol Pot? What are you? Some kind of murderer lover?

I think you certainly HAVE to hate someone or something you think is a mass murderer, right? Unless you're sick in the head?

Let me help you get a little bolder.

I don't like people who kill 80 gazillion people or whatever numbers you brought up, people who kill so many people are certainly unlikable. Don't you agree?

Viruses that kill a lot of people, I am also threatened by. God is the most threatening of all, since the Bible says God is the one who kills.

I'm scared of death and dying and being killed.

So if someone says "Hi, I killed 80 gazillion people" I'll be like "I don't hate you" only to save my skin. Is that what you were doing? I think your skin might clash with the paint on my walls anyway.

You shouldn't be afraid to express your feelings here, if you hate them, why not say so?

Look at their ugly bearded faces and unibrows and yelling, ew.

I wrote about how gross I find the Bible.

Why don't you read the Qur'an at www.islamawakened.com/quran and find out from actual direct reading why the Qur'an is justifiably blamed for tricking people into becoming serial killers. Don't be a pok, pok, pok, chicken and use websites that have done the work for you, but read every word of Satan's Scripture and then come back to us with your report. If you feel like it, which you probably don't, in that case, enjoy some corn or whatever, but be aware that there are murderous Muslims here, and we're hungry, and fasting, and Chicken sounds real good right now.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Haha, sorry, I just got irritated at the idea of someone giving example after example of evil and mass genocide and murder associated with Allah, Islam, Muslims, and then saying "I don't hate them" LOL.

Come on guys, inject some testosterone if you need to, no one who doesn't dislike them would sit there writing out all that in that way lol.

Don't worry, Muslims are lying if they say they don't hate the people who hate them, we mutually despise one another typically, just like any human being might hate another human being they perceive as hating them and saying nasty things about them and their way of life or beliefs or thoughts.

We, humanity, are one big murky puddle of acidic hate.

Let it eat away at you and see what is left underneath it all!

 

[Duncan]

All is well thanking God.
It is better to let the action speak. I also refer people to study the Hadith. It is very interesting, full of primitive ty thinking, superstitions, and wars. Outside the Hadith, there is nothing historical that speaks of a Prophet named Mohammad and his deeds. From a historical point of view, however, there is a great number of massacres by Muslims in the name of the religion, and to make all believe in Allah the way they do. For example, there had been over 80 million Christians killed by Muslims so far in the Balkan states, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia. The number of Muslim slaughters of Hindus also exceeds 80 million. The Muslim historian Firistha wrote that Muslims slaughtered over 400 million Hindus. In summary, The Muslim genocide of non-Muslims in the history of the religion exceeds over 600 million people.
Should you ask, in Christianity as well there had been killings. However, they were never to revenge for God. "Revenge is mine, says the Lord". God is capable of taking care of Himself and does not need people to do the killing for Him. He is loving, forgiving, and peace promoters. The killings that were done by Christians were the very sins of man. Not ordered by God. Muslim killings, however, were ordered by God.
As a counter-argument, Muslims always defend their positions by pointing to what the crusaders did. But who created the crusaders and their reactions were a result of What? Weren't they borne as a result of what Muslims did and intended to do to the Holy Places? Look at Turkey for instance. All churches were taken and converted into mosques.
In closing, religion pf peace does not promote hatred of those who are different or those who do not believe the say way. Religion of peace promotes tolerance, love, and understanding of human differences.
I have no hatred for Muslims but hate religion. As Christians, there are good and bad people. This earth is for all of the humans and we should be open to discussing our differences and let our creator decide the end.

I want to thank you brother for you sincere opinion, but I dont agree with you, allow me to give you my opinion why Islam is the fastest growing religion? not because of violence and sword as you portrayed it.

You see throughout history, Muhammad was accused of all kinds of fallacies from a false prophet to being crazy. Could a false man be the founder of a religion? Could a false man have over one billion followers? Could a false man establish spiritual, social, and economic systems? But, perhaps, the greatest crime of Muhammad in the eyes of the Christians is that he did not allow himself to be killed by his enemies. He ably defended himself, his family, and his followers, and finally was the most successful man in history. His struggle and victory over the forces of evil and disbelief made the editors of Encyclopedia Britannica exclaim Muhammad as "The most successful of all religious personalities."

How can the opponents of Islam account for Muhammad′s phenomenal success and achievements except to claim that he spread his religion at the point of the sword? In Islam at the crossroads, London 1923, by historian De lacy O′Leary, page 8, he said:

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historian have ever repeated."

The Muslims ruled Spain for 736 years. However, after eight centuries in Spain, the Muslims were totally eliminated from that country. If the Muslims had used force, military or economic, there would not have been any Christian left in Spain to fight the Muslims out. One cannot charge the Muslims of converting the Spaniards to Islam by the sword. Also, the Muslims ruled the subcontinent of India from 1001 to 1858 A.D. They did not convert the Hindus or the Sikhs to Islam by force. This same argument is true for many countries like Egypt, Iran, and Indonesia. Muslims converted by choice.

Today Islam is still growing and spreading all over the world and the Muslims have no sword! Islam has continued to win new converts, especially between Afro and white Americans as well as in Europe. Someone may argue that the Afro-American needs a religion that embraces equality of races, then what about the white Americans and European. How about the soldiers and engineers that went to the Gulf war, and saw the real Islam in Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and converted to Islam? There was no sword there. How can we explain the phenomenal increase in the number of Mosques in the US, Canada, and Europe? There was no sword there. How about the famous rock star Cat Stevens who converted to Islam? There was no sword there. It was the search for true peace and tranquility of the soul. How about the French surgeon Bucaille who converted to Islam? There was no sword there. He narrates his encounter with the Quran:

"It is not the faith in Islam that first guided my steps, but simple research for the truth. This is how I see it today. It was mainly fact which, by the time I had finished my study, had led me to see in the Quran a text revealed to a prophet."

But the critics of the religion will not stop charging that Islam with spreading by the sword. In 1840 when Carlyle defended Muhammad and refuted the allegation about the sword, there was no rich Arab country to bribe him. The whole Islamic world was under influence of the Christians, except for a few like Persia, Afghanistan, and Turkey. Carlyle defended Islam when the Muslims were the underdogs.

That was yesterday and many yesterdays before, but what about today in our present time? During half a century from 1934 to 1984, according to the Reader′s Digest Almanac and Yearbook, 1983, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. The overall increase of all sects and denominations of Christianity was a staggering 138 %, and the incredible increase in Islam was 235 %. It is further affirmed that in Britain and US, Islam is the fastest growing faith. What, then, about the sword?

It is the sword of Truth.

It is the sword of intellect.

It is the sword of real peace.

It is the sword of security.

God promised to preserve the Quran. He did and He does. He also made another promise:

Chapter 48, Verse 28 "It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness."

The destiny of Islam is spelt out here in the clearest terms. Submission to Allah will prevail, overcome, and supersede every other faith, whether it is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, or any other "ism."

Islam shall prevail. It is the promise of God and His Promise is true. But how? Not with the sword. The Quran forbids the Muslims from using force as a means of converting. Allah said:

Chapter 2, Verse 256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion"

How, then, would Islam be the most dominant of all religions? The triumph of its doctrine has already started and is gaining hold over religious ideology and doctrines of the various schools of thought in the world. Muslims never use organized missionaries, like Christians, to spread their faith. They are not using money, hospitals, or schools to spread Islam. The doctrines of Islam are being rapidly used into the various religious groups. Ask any theist, polytheist, or Trinitarian: How many Gods do you believe in? One will hesitate to say anything but ONE. This is the effect of the strict monotheism of Islam.

 

[Tokita]

I want to thank you brother for you sincere opinion, but I dont agree with you, allow me to give you my opinion why Islam is the fastest growing religion? not because of violence and sword as you portrayed it.

You see throughout history, Muhammad was accused of all kinds of fallacies from a false prophet to being crazy. Could a false man be the founder of a religion? Could a false man have over one billion followers? Could a false man establish spiritual, social, and economic systems? But, perhaps, the greatest crime of Muhammad in the eyes of the Christians is that he did not allow himself to be killed by his enemies. He ably defended himself, his family, and his followers, and finally was the most successful man in history. His struggle and victory over the forces of evil and disbelief made the editors of Encyclopedia Britannica exclaim Muhammad as "The most successful of all religious personalities."

How can the opponents of Islam account for Muhammad′s phenomenal success and achievements except to claim that he spread his religion at the point of the sword? In Islam at the crossroads, London 1923, by historian De lacy O′Leary, page 8, he said:

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historian have ever repeated."

The Muslims ruled Spain for 736 years. However, after eight centuries in Spain, the Muslims were totally eliminated from that country. If the Muslims had used force, military or economic, there would not have been any Christian left in Spain to fight the Muslims out. One cannot charge the Muslims of converting the Spaniards to Islam by the sword. Also, the Muslims ruled the subcontinent of India from 1001 to 1858 A.D. They did not convert the Hindus or the Sikhs to Islam by force. This same argument is true for many countries like Egypt, Iran, and Indonesia. Muslims converted by choice.

Today Islam is still growing and spreading all over the world and the Muslims have no sword! Islam has continued to win new converts, especially between Afro and white Americans as well as in Europe. Someone may argue that the Afro-American needs a religion that embraces equality of races, then what about the white Americans and European. How about the soldiers and engineers that went to the Gulf war, and saw the real Islam in Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and converted to Islam? There was no sword there. How can we explain the phenomenal increase in the number of Mosques in the US, Canada, and Europe? There was no sword there. How about the famous rock star Cat Stevens who converted to Islam? There was no sword there. It was the search for true peace and tranquility of the soul. How about the French surgeon Bucaille who converted to Islam? There was no sword there. He narrates his encounter with the Quran:

"It is not the faith in Islam that first guided my steps, but simple research for the truth. This is how I see it today. It was mainly fact which, by the time I had finished my study, had led me to see in the Quran a text revealed to a prophet."

But the critics of the religion will not stop charging that Islam with spreading by the sword. In 1840 when Carlyle defended Muhammad and refuted the allegation about the sword, there was no rich Arab country to bribe him. The whole Islamic world was under influence of the Christians, except for a few like Persia, Afghanistan, and Turkey. Carlyle defended Islam when the Muslims were the underdogs.

That was yesterday and many yesterdays before, but what about today in our present time? During half a century from 1934 to 1984, according to the Reader′s Digest Almanac and Yearbook, 1983, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. The overall increase of all sects and denominations of Christianity was a staggering 138 %, and the incredible increase in Islam was 235 %. It is further affirmed that in Britain and US, Islam is the fastest growing faith. What, then, about the sword?

It is the sword of Truth.

It is the sword of intellect.

It is the sword of real peace.

It is the sword of security.

God promised to preserve the Quran. He did and He does. He also made another promise:

Chapter 48, Verse 28 "It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness."

The destiny of Islam is spelt out here in the clearest terms. Submission to Allah will prevail, overcome, and supersede every other faith, whether it is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, or any other "ism."

Islam shall prevail. It is the promise of God and His Promise is true. But how? Not with the sword. The Quran forbids the Muslims from using force as a means of converting. Allah said:

Chapter 2, Verse 256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion"

How, then, would Islam be the most dominant of all religions? The triumph of its doctrine has already started and is gaining hold over religious ideology and doctrines of the various schools of thought in the world. Muslims never use organized missionaries, like Christians, to spread their faith. They are not using money, hospitals, or schools to spread Islam. The doctrines of Islam are being rapidly used into the various religious groups. Ask any theist, polytheist, or Trinitarian: How many Gods do you believe in? One will hesitate to say anything but ONE. This is the effect of the strict monotheism of Islam.

Thank you for your reply. It is good to see civilized responses. Dialogue is very important. Don't you agree?
I don't know how much you read into the Hadith. I have studied Islam for several years after I converted to it. What made me walk away were several issues:
1. You mentioned that the Prophet was not killed. The Hadith tells us that he was killed but not in a battle - which is worse). He was poisoned by a Jewish woman after he ate mutton. When he asked her why, her response was because he killed her family and if he was a true prophet, he would be spared. But he died. If Mohamad actually spoke with Angel Gabriel, wouldn't the angel have given him a fair warning?
2. The Hadith speaks of many superstitions that came out of the Prophet's mouth.
3. The Hadith was not very nice to women. In fact, the Prophet himself demeaned women leaders and beat his own wife "Aisha". In her words "He caused me pain."
4. Look at Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. They are rich countries but lack religious freedom. Saudi Arabia, the source of Islam (supposedly) maintained the culture - look at the Wahabis and their origins.
5. Islam looks at God as if He is a human being.
6. My biggest problem is that there are things that can never be of God's qualities. Example: "Allah is the greatest deceiver" as one His attributes in Islam. Logic tells me that only Satan deceives. God wants people to Him and cares about saving all of humanity.
7. Some of the sayings in the Quran were borrowed from Jewish fables. Example "Whoever kills one man as if he kills all humanity ... etc." but it is attributed to Allah in the Quran.
8. Revenge - as in an eye for an eye is the Law of Hammurabi. It was also adopted by Moses and later Mohammad. It is not God's.
9. I know Muslims believe in logic - as I learned one must align mind and heart. Let me share the logic part of it. I am sure you agree that God is the greatest communicator, if so, why couldn't He bring down a book that is free from errors (Historical and otherwise), where every person who reads it believe in Him.
10 Finally, The Quran calls Jesus the Messiah, born of a Virgin, Sinless, of the Spirit of Allah, and the Breath of Allah. Yet he is only a prophet. How can that be?? If someone is of the spirit of another wouldn't they be the same?
10. Here is something about Christianity: Paul was bitten by a deadly snake in the desert and lived. People called him a god.
11. The Disciples of Christ after His resurrection and after the Holy Spirit (The Advocate) came upon them, walked between the people, and spoke in tongues. People of many different nations at that time were able to understand them and thousands converted.
12. Finally, man is very sinful - I hope you agree. To be in Heaven (assuming one believes in Heaven and those who do not they will find out someday) one must be clean and spotless. When a person accepts Christ their world changes, they become at peace, and see things differently. I have several Ex-Muslim friends who share my exact beliefs.

People do not convert and it is not my position to ask anyone to convert. I just state what I believe in and let the Holy Spirit (Which is not Angel Gabriel as Muslims believe) do the work. Jesus said in John 6:44, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." One must have an open mind to see such a miracle that will change their mind.

In closing, we should all be free to share our minds. Insulting each other should have no place. We should also love each other, regardless of our beliefs. Ultimately, God is the judge. And He is very fair.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Thank you for your reply. It is good to see civilized responses. Dialogue is very important. Don't you agree?
I don't know how much you read into the Hadith. I have studied Islam for several years after I converted to it. What made me walk away were several issues:
1. You mentioned that the Prophet was not killed. The Hadith tells us that he was killed but not in a battle - which is worse). He was poisoned by a Jewish woman after he ate mutton. When he asked her why, her response was because he killed her family and if he was a true prophet, he would be spared. But he died. If Mohamad actually spoke with Angel Gabriel, wouldn't the angel have given him a fair warning?
2. The Hadith speaks of many superstitions that came out of the Prophet's mouth.
3. The Hadith was not very nice to women. In fact, the Prophet himself demeaned women leaders and beat his own wife "Aisha". In her words "He caused me pain."
4. Look at Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. They are rich countries but lack religious freedom. Saudi Arabia, the source of Islam (supposedly) maintained the culture - look at the Wahabis and their origins.
5. Islam looks at God as if He is a human being.
6. My biggest problem is that there are things that can never be of God's qualities. Example: "Allah is the greatest deceiver" as one His attributes in Islam. Logic tells me that only Satan deceives. God wants people to Him and cares about saving all of humanity.
7. Some of the sayings in the Quran were borrowed from Jewish fables. Example "Whoever kills one man as if he kills all humanity ... etc." but it is attributed to Allah in the Quran.
8. Revenge - as in an eye for an eye is the Law of Hammurabi. It was also adopted by Moses and later Mohammad. It is not God's.
9. I know Muslims believe in logic - as I learned one must align mind and heart. Let me share the logic part of it. I am sure you agree that God is the greatest communicator, if so, why couldn't He bring down a book that is free from errors (Historical and otherwise), where every person who reads it believe in Him.
10 Finally, The Quran calls Jesus the Messiah, born of a Virgin, Sinless, of the Spirit of Allah, and the Breath of Allah. Yet he is only a prophet. How can that be?? If someone is of the spirit of another wouldn't they be the same?
10. Here is something about Christianity: Paul was bitten by a deadly snake in the desert and lived. People called him a god.
11. The Disciples of Christ after His resurrection and after the Holy Spirit (The Advocate) came upon them, walked between the people, and spoke in tongues. People of many different nations at that time were able to understand them and thousands converted.
12. Finally, man is very sinful - I hope you agree. To be in Heaven (assuming one believes in Heaven and those who do not they will find out someday) one must be clean and spotless. When a person accepts Christ their world changes, they become at peace, and see things differently. I have several Ex-Muslim friends who share my exact beliefs.

People do not convert and it is not my position to ask anyone to convert. I just state what I believe in and let the Holy Spirit (Which is not Angel Gabriel as Muslims believe) do the work. Jesus said in John 6:44, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." One must have an open mind to see such a miracle that will change their mind.

In closing, we should all be free to share our minds. Insulting each other should have no place. We should also love each other, regardless of our beliefs. Ultimately, God is the judge. And He is very fair.

I enjoy reading your writing, sorry I couldn't get the savage to come out, but what God is "very fair"? Have you looked at the world or even nature?

There is a child born with a disease where he can not even bathe or move without intense pain. How about the animals which need to pierce the side of the female which leaves a wound which eventually kills them off in order to procreate?

So what is your story? What were you before you were a Muslim, how did Islam manage to dupe you, why do you "hate religions" now, and what are you now that you speak of God? Did you become some sort of Bible believing Christian or something else?

According to the Qur'an, it claims you are going to be cast into hell and punishment by the Monster.

4:137
Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.

Surah An-Nisa [4:137-143]

See how the Qur'an brainwashes through fear tactics? Yet they don't work on you Tokita.

The Qur'an also "objectifies" people.
For example, how I called you a chicken to try to provoke your true feelings and opinions, or how I consider you a miraculous anamoly rather than a simple human being.

I consider you the very rare exemplar of a genuine "hypocrite" who "deems every shout against them". By objectifying you in this way, which certainly isn't a good thing but oh well, I see you more like something in a museum display, a living animated example of a true blue living real "Hypocrite" or rather Munafiq and apostate, which are rare and special kinds of "devils" to the twisted minds of Muslims and most snake-like and tricky, just like writing what you do and adding "I don't hate Muslims" after it, very tricky indeed!

To be looked at as a "thing" or "novelty" is a sad consequence of being brainwashes by that evil book you may recall some words from.

The deluded Muslims pat themselves on the back though concerning those who join and leave or simply leave, as never having truly joined in the first place. In other words, we comfort ourselves with the notion that "you were never a Muslim" and "Islam never entered your heart" but that you were always a fake and never understood it, much like the Muslims may think of me because I worship the names my username is made of and many more as epithets of the one!

So if you and I are going to be roomates in the Lowest Hell Together, maybe we should at least learn to get along?

So here's to you my fellow hell-fish, and us!

Now, I'd honestly, instead of hearing all your stats on serial killers, love to hear about your religious journey in detail and what you believe now and why, and try your darndest to be as authentic and raw as possible Felix.

 

[ManSinha]

They did not convert the Hindus or the Sikhs to Islam by force.

Those are the droppings of a large mammal - they even tried to convert young children by force - and killed them when they declined - so keep those views to yourself - recorded history disagrees with you - these are just a select few - I can provide scores of such examples

Martyrdom of Guru Tegh Bahadur

Sambhaji Raje

Bhai Taru Singh

Younger Sahibzadas

I know I said I would not post in this thread again - but your utter disregard for facts on the ground - forced me to put this post in

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Those are the droppings of a large mammal - they even tried to convert young children by force - and killed them when they declined - so keep those views to yourself - recorded history disagrees with you - these are just a select few - I can provide scores of such examples

Martyrdom of Guru Tegh Bahadur

Sambhaji Raje

Bhai Taru Singh

Younger Sahibzadas

I know I said I would not post in this thread again - but your utter disregard for facts on the ground - forced me to put this post in

I think you did the right thing! If you let people lie and spread lies, there will be no one else who is heroic enough to stand and tell the truth. You have to fight!

As for you Tokita, I'm just teasing you a bit, playfully, because I too dislike Muslims quite a bit, possibly even much more than you "Don't hate them".

I continue to work to answer the original question though. Now here is another "why" I tend to promote and support the Qur'an over the othet scriptures.

Even though I find Muslims to be "trash", I find them less likely to be as trashy as some of the others, and here is why!

A Muslim who takes their religion more seriously, will not drink alcohol at all, will not take drugs or intoxicants, will take crime seriously and avoid it, believes that God is watching them and counts the good and bad points even better than Santa Klaus and punishes worse than Krampus, in fact, God is Krampus Klaws in ways that frighten the numbskull Muslim greatly.

That makes them in my view, a very useful and trustworthy person.

People who drink alcohol, take drugs, have illicit sex, pursue fornication, lie, steal, defraud, are materialistic, greedy, loose cannons, they can not be trusted and naturally make me very uncomfortable.

Islam is one of the few religions that really takes these vices as taboos in a serious way and avoids these things which lead to worse and worse behaviors from human filth.

The other people who avoid these things are Mormons or the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints (LDS Church). They are much more organized and community oriented rather than wild protestant Muslims, but their theology is the exact opposite in some ways from mine, though I'd rather anyone choose a way of life which strictly avoids intoxication and delusion inducing habits and immoral and unethical filthiness.

Catholics make their young start drinking real alcoholic wine getting them intoxicated and influencing their brains towards alcoholism from an early age.

Islam is, like all religions and as the militant atheists say, a way to control people and manipulate them. Yes, absolutely, and its a great way, since I don't have enough verses in the other garbage scriptures to get people to believe in to use to properly to control these human animals.

I want them to be good, so I can sit outside and take a walk without a bloody drunk imbecile smashing bottles on the street and forebodingly stumbling my way.

The Bible isn't good enough. Its a mess. Too weird and ambiguous and unclear. I don't really care who killed whose mama and if Muhammed tripped into a volcano, he is expendable and anyone can replace him to say 2+2=4 or "don't drink, it causes problems", so if he is believed, I'll use it to my advantage for my own comfort!

Now, all these religions are so obsessed with men and humans, since people want something and someone they can relate to, though they often take it too far.

Christianity now is putting faith in a man's human body and form, Jesus.

Buddhism is trusting in some Prince who missed a few meals, Siddhartha Gautama Buddha.

Shia Islam obsesses about certain men and mystics and bloodlines.

Sunni Islam loves their men.

Well, personally, I like women, preferably privately nude and attractive ones, who aren't lecturing me on anything except through their actions and affection for me.

Now there are a few ways I can get what I want, sexy, beautiful women, and X-ray eyes, and I've gotten most of what I want, but my idea is to try to get in good with the Factory that produces these hot models.

That Factory is God, Tokita, My God, the God that you said "Get Thee Behind Me Satan!" to and "You don't Scare Me!" to, like what you should yell at that video recitation of the Qur'an talking about the hell you don't think you'll ever be thrown into for your apostate state, the one you don't dare to play, due to a lack of bravery masked as boredom and impatience, surely!

God, The Factory, manufactures not only Babes and puppies and kitty cats, but also epidemic viruses and horrific diseases. God is the one the humans oppressed by everything call "The Man", the Cosmic Corporate Daimon of Death Dealing. They even call the orgasm the "little death".

Mara Prajapati, Namuci, Kama, the big M on the McDonalds sign, Molech Al-Malik ul Mulk, Mammon, Vrtra, Vala. Turn YWHW upside down and mingle around AUM and the Ancient Symbol for the Tao and again and again you will see the same shapes in every direction, which propagandists sometimes show as a drakkon, a serpent.

Who holds your livelihood and your life in your hands, who mated your mommy and your daddy together to squirt out this thing that you are? You then put your faith in a human form, one who "never knew you" and who you "never knew"?

How strange!

So who ever trusts in tales about Muhammed, is mistaken, and whoever trusts in tales of Jesus, is mistaken, and whoever trusts in tales of Buddha is mistaken.

Muhammed will not unfurl his turban to pull out people from hell, I promise you if he was genuine he was metaphorically evacuating in his opened dress-like garb (so luckily it remains unstained) in utter fear and awe of God, if he was a good man, he will be silent and in terror of Allah, BabeLord and Serial Killer of the Universe. If he isn't afraid then he should be roasting in hell and knows nothing whatsoever. The same goes for the rest of them who don't really worry in a genuine way about their helpless state before the real God and answering for what they do!

Not one of them can save you humans, they themselves are helpless puppets and pawns.

Jesus likewise if Jesus was God had no need to descend into Hades to preach and save. People who put their faith in humans are apparently not thinking straight, nor are you capable of fighting the overwhelming truth or save yourselves.

Lies upon lies upon lies, distracting you from God, and why? Because quite frankly, and in my opinion God absolutely despises people he sets "Human Lords" over, but maybe thats just me who feels that way, and maybe your inferior Gods are real, and my God which is far greater than and of yours, is nothing but whatever I think is literally far superior and in accord with reality as it is.

I'll be quite surprised when your man-gods and intercessors save you, and my Real God fails me, and I'll be left all alone in hell because I took no patron monkey saint to save me. What a dufus I am huh?

So, Muslims are better than other human garbage simply because they are trained to be cleaner, avoiding intoxicants, cleaning their buttocks and genitals and bodies, keeping God on their mind by repeatedly worshiping through the day.

Theirs is the best of religions, the Qur'an is the "mediocre" Best of Scriptures for controlling people towards good in a much more overt and clear way than any other scripture, and I've read them all pretty much!

The people who use Islam to commit crimes like you mentioned, are deluded criminals. They are Godless, so tell me about your God? I think your God doesn't seem to match up at all with the reality at hand which is full of things you may not have considered and may find easier to avoid thinking about, but I don't think the BabeLord wants you anywhere but at the big BBQ of our hopes and nightmares.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Oh yeah, add every other human to that list! The ones people follow and put their hope and trust and faith in. Sikh founder, Bahai founder, Moses, Abraham, all of them that humans obsess about, Zoroaster, Mani, all of them! Glorifying them, do they have power to save you? 2+2=4, and nothing will save you, except try to make the best calculation, and hope there is something greater than a man who died on a cross.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Saffron terror - Wikipedia

If saffron terror was there, Tablighi Jamaat of Mawlana Sa'ad would not have been able to cause the may-hem it did in the last few weeks. I can reply to each and every of your accusation if it was of any help. But be sure, law will catch up with them and others.
Check Tablighi Jamaat and Covid-19 - Google Search

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

If saffron terror was there, Tablighi Jamaat of Mawlana Sa'ad would not have been able to cause the may-hem it did in the last few weeks. I can reply to each and every of your accusation if it was of any help. But be sure, law will catch up with them and others.
Check Tablighi Jamaat and Covid-19 - Google Search

Yeah, I don't know much about anything, I think you're probably right and its simply true Muslims are the only bad guys and violent extremists throughout the world and all history to this day.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

This thread has writings representing and from a lot of major represented factions.

DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan ("True Islam" / Heterodox Islam / Quranist / Heretic / Napoleonic Neopolitan Universal Islam, Napoleon Bonaparte's "Islam")

Duncan (Sunni Islam)

Link (Shia Islam & Shia Mysticism)

Others (Bahai)

Tokita (Ex Muslim / Apostate from Islam)

We have guest appearances by maybe Atheists, maybe Sikhs, maybe Hindus, even a Rabbi! Also perhaps some Christians too! Even maybe a very unique Falun Gong advocate, and a former Raelian!

I try to give the most authentic picture possible of my real feelings so that it should be known what can happen to a person.

Religion does not provide real comradery when you are a religion of one, and most people end up really discovering they are a religion of one. Some people find themselves willing to accept and follow everything and other's comments and thoughts, suppressing in themselves any itch against what they don't think is right in order to conform and maintain peace and order and their social network and popularity.

Very few people also report heavy duty and regular miracles.

Most people, as you can see, one way or another over-value human beings, either in the Humanist Realism of Atheists or in the Man-Praise of the various popular sects.

Even in the past, Saint worship was extremely popular, as humans can not seem to get over themselves and instead focus on the Reality and hopeless plight they are fully immersed in and surroundes by.

They think the Jiriki of themselves or someone else can be their saving grace, and God is often very remote and very imaginary.

Religions and more than religions, sincere beliefs, generally serve to alienate people from one another. Eliminate religion and then you have every other thing which people use to divide themselves, like dogs and their territories, or cats, humans aren't really man's best friend. We are designed, seemingly, to separate ourselves, make our own way, and struggle and stomp and pull down and spread out and make little gangs of members who we don't truly care about but do so long as they do what we want.

There is no real love in mankind, its a mask, and what man is made of is so many fears, and when they act, so much regret as well.

Man is in a state of decay, and like a wax statue melting under the mid day sun of Nergal, they reach out and grasp at whatever they think might return them again to some time that maybe never even was.

So what do you really want to be and how do you want to live your life?

What cast do you want to melt into, what shape do you want your funeral mask?

I will be saying that I never believed in anything except what I called God, who wasn't a man, who performed miracles right before my eyes and those of others with real results and real things involved.

If I was deceived, I performed honorably as far as my standards were concerned, clean, pure, innocent, and with my nose upturned in haughty arrogance about how much "bester" I am than all those others in so many ways, by what I credit as God's Grace. Who can make me ashamed when I did what I could, didn't do what I couldn't, and avoided all harm, sins, and vice towards myself and others and even the creatures and buggies except for buying food?

What the Qur'an promotes is really trying your best, giving it your sincerest best shot, to be the very best, and better, and being blameless, and doing it all out of at the very least, besides all the advantages, out of sincere fear of the Monitor.

ttps://youtu.be/bVVJJrP1JVA

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I wrote this in the comments of that Ex-Muslim video:

"I think if you're any religion and you really don't want to be in it and want to leave it, you should try really hard to get where you can make that happen so you can live your very short life well and happily and not feeling tense or forced.

If you have left your religions or want to, whatever religion it may be, my email is [email protected] if you need someone to talk to about things or explain your ideas and strategize how to get out of it all and live a better life free from whatever you feel is ruining your days and limited time! "

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeah, I don't know much about anything, I think you're probably right and its simply true Muslims are the only bad guys and violent extremists throughout the world and all history to this day.

No, DVMAZ, Muslims are not 'the only bad guys'. They have died in cause of my nation in military and police. At times they have saved Hindus in India and have taken care of temples left behind by the Hindus. There are other bad guys as well, for example the Christians in Palghar, Maharashtra, who recently lynched two Hindu monks in presence of police.

It is only in India that the Hindu majority is made to leave their hearths and homes (Kashmir) or have to face communal riots (Delhi); and you talk of saffron terror.

(Of course, he has now been arrested along with his father)

But yes, there is a lunatic fringe among Muslims in India egged on by clerics trained in Middle-East who think that they can destroy India by terrorist actions. They must know that India is too strong for them to even be disturbed.
Their actions only result in Muslims deaths (Kashmir terrorists) or inconvenience to Muslims in other parts of the country.

Kashmir terrorists killed - YouTube (in the last one month)