proof of the true God?

[URAVIP2ME]

Obviously ALL of the other religions with ancient religious books could claim the same thing.
Obviously you can't all be right.
Personally, I don't think any of you are right.
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I know of No other Book that has spread its good news message of Daniel 2:44 all over the world.
I wonder if all other ancient religions claim to have the international spreading as mentioned at Matthew 24:14.
True, I agree all can't be right, but to me that does Not mean all are wrong.
The spiritual work of Acts of the Apostles 1:8 is (and has been) accomplished under adverse conditions.
Even under bad circumstances the continuing good news of God's kingdom can't be stopped but keeps growing.
It will grow until as Ezekiel wrote that all nations will know about the true God.

 

[shunyadragon]

I know of No other Book that has spread its good news message of Daniel 2:44 all over the world.
I wonder if all other ancient religions claim to have the international spreading as mentioned at Matthew 24:14.

The Baha'i Faith, and I believe Buddhism. Buddhism was present in Rome at the time of Christ.

True, I agree all can't be right, but to me that does Not mean all are wrong.

The question whether the Bible is always right nor always wrong, is not the right question.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Baha'i Faith, and I believe Buddhism. Buddhism was present in Rome at the time of Christ.

Besides the Jewish faith of the Israelites, I find ALL other faiths present in Rome at the time of Christ would be considered as being the faiths of the gentile peoples of the nations.

Jesus projected that his teachings would be acccomplished after Rome at the time of Christ.
Jesus told the time would come when his teachings would be proclaimed on a grand international scale just as it is being done world wide today as per Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Again, if this weren't true, what difference would it make? And how would we even know? Whether nature is God's will, or something else, it remains the reality that we have to deal with. However, if in believing that it's God's will we become better able to accept it and respond to it, then that's a difference that matters.

To me ' nature is God's will ' because God gifted Earth to the people of Earth as per Psalms 115:17.
We are supposed to take care of ' nature ' as per Genesis.
The neglect of ' nature ' is what we are seeing in earth's pollution, and such neglect is shown in God's viewpoint at Revelation 11:18 B that God ' will ' bring to ruin those ruining the Earth.

 

[shunyadragon]

Besides the Jewish faith of the Israelites, I find ALL other faiths present in Rome at the time of Christ would be considered as being the faiths of the gentile peoples of the nations.

Jesus projected that his teachings would be acccomplished after Rome at the time of Christ.
Jesus told the time would come when his teachings would be proclaimed on a grand international scale just as it is being done world wide today as per Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

I do not totally disagree with your conclusions. It was generally accepted that Christianity was finally taught world wide in the 1840's at the time of the advent of the Baha'i Faith. The Baha'i Faith was taught in every nation of the world by the 1960's. Both religions suffered persecution and the failure to destroy their scriptures and succeeded.

None of this 'proves' the validity of either religion.

 

[1robin]

What or where is the proof of the true God, the Creator and Judge, the Living God, the Most High who lives forever and ever?

There are no proofs of God, which is why God requires faith.

However there are some very powerful arguments from one.
The first cause argument.
The teleological argument.
The argument from morality.
The prime mover argument.
The miracle argument.
The argument from contingency.
etc...

Did you want to discuss one of them?

 

[PureX]

To me ' nature is God's will ' because God gifted Earth to the people of Earth as per Psalms 115:17.
We are supposed to take care of ' nature ' as per Genesis.
The neglect of ' nature ' is what we are seeing in earth's pollution, and such neglect is shown in God's viewpoint at Revelation 11:18 B that God ' will ' bring to ruin those ruining the Earth.

I think the problem is the term "dominion over" in scripture. Too many have interpreted that as meaning that nature exists to serve the will and desires of mankind, rather then that mankind exists to enjoy, appreciate, and preserve nature.

 

[Muffled]

Yes but the bible says this generation will not go away till his return. It also says the gospel will be preached everywhere on the earth before time.

So truthfully this scenario makes the bible a lie.

No, I believe the idea that God is lying is a lie.

 

[Muffled]

ok, we'll just leave that there. have a nice day

I believe I would but I think it falls into the category of "I think therefore I am." I suppose the question is "how do you tell it is God speaking and not the person doing the writing?"

 

[Muffled]

Please keep in mind that Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21 have two (2) fulfillments:
* The ' minor ' fulfillment ( generation ) came in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed un-faithful Jerusalem.
* The MAJOR fullillment ( generation ) is for our day or the now time frame of Revelation 1:10.
I find that Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the Apostles 1:8 was Not fulfilled in the first century.
We are still asked to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come.
Jesus will Not come in kingdom glory time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 until the international preaching work is done.
Never before in history has mankind been able to reach remote areas of Earth as being globally done today.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation possible so that remote translation offices can now quickly translate Scripture into people's mother tongues or native languages on location.
So, we are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44.
What is left is the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (the powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security.... " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

I believe Mat 24 covers both but the "generation" is only in the context of the end times.

 

[Ingledsva]

I know of No other Book that has spread its good news message of Daniel 2:44 all over the world.
I wonder if all other ancient religions claim to have the international spreading as mentioned at Matthew 24:14.
True, I agree all can't be right, but to me that does Not mean all are wrong.
The spiritual work of Acts of the Apostles 1:8 is (and has been) accomplished under adverse conditions.
Even under bad circumstances the continuing good news of God's kingdom can't be stopped but keeps growing.
It will grow until as Ezekiel wrote that all nations will know about the true God.

My opinion is that IF there is a God, it would not give it's info to just one small tribe, from whom it was then taken, and twisted into a totally different religion.

I think a God would either make it's will known to all equally, or sit bake in silence watching and judging what it's autonomous creation does.

*

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think Jesus could agree with the ^ above ^ because Jesus did Not depend on things that change.
Jesus based his teachings on the established old Hebrew Scriptures that did Not change.
That is why Jesus could use logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures on which to base his teachings.
Those old Hebrew Scriptures did Not rock from under Jesus, thus Jesus could solidly teach from them.
That is why Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " it is written..." because it was already recorded or written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures explaining them for us. The corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses or passages to the Hebrew Scriptures show us how unchanging and timely Jesus teachings are for everyone.

Everything changes. What you quoted from me is about taking for granted. Things change so we dont know what will happen in life; dont take things for granted just because you have faith that foundations are static (you wont fall at all).

Which means god is not static, jesus isnt, everything changes. Its uncomfortable for many so they want something that they will always come back to. Life just isnt that way. Jesus taught god is eternal. The bible mentions gods nature is static; it does not change.

Jesus believes the opposite. If not, scriptures and by definition traditions that make up scriptures wouldnt be important.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I do not totally disagree with your conclusions. It was generally accepted that Christianity was finally taught world wide in the 1840's at the time of the advent of the Baha'i Faith. The Baha'i Faith was taught in every nation of the world by the 1960's. Both religions suffered persecution and the failure to destroy their scriptures and succeeded.
None of this 'proves' the validity of either religion.

To me the Bible traces back to Noah with Moses starting writing the Scriptures.
So, to me the 1800's are Not the 1st-century teachings of Christ, but that spiritual interests did increase in the 1800's.
Long before the 1800's the Bible was hated from within and without through corrupted clergy.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Everything changes. What you quoted from me is about taking for granted. Things change so we dont know what will happen in life; dont take things for granted just because you have faith that foundations are static (you wont fall at all).
Which means god is not static, jesus isnt, everything changes. Its uncomfortable for many so they want something that they will always come back to. Life just isnt that way. Jesus taught god is eternal. The bible mentions gods nature is static; it does not change.
Jesus believes the opposite. If not, scriptures and by definition traditions that make up scriptures wouldnt be important.

I am wondering if you have an example in mind that Jesus believes the opposite.
If Jesus believed the opposite then he would Not have been in harmony with referring to or quoting the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his teachings as he was.

In Genesis God promised father Abraham that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed, and ALL families of Earth will be blessed.
At Revelation 22:2 I find Jesus will fulfill God's promise because mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of Earth's nations. So, ALL families and ALL nations will be blessed with healing through Jesus.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

My opinion is that IF there is a God, it would not give it's info to just one small tribe, from whom it was then taken, and twisted into a totally different religion.
I think a God would either make it's will known to all equally, or sit bake in silence watching and judging what it's autonomous creation does.
*

I do think God makes it known to all equally (who want it) because just as Jesus said the good news message about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is proclaimed world wide just as Jesus said it would be done at Matthew 24:14 and at Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

That one small tribe was just to lead people to Messiah, since Messiah (Jesus) all nations of Earth are included.
First, to the Jewish nation, then the Samaritans, then starting with Cornelius to the peoples of the gentile nations.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe Mat 24 covers both but the "generation" is only in the context of the end times.

I can agree Matthew 24:21 in that verse can Not apply to the first century.
In the first century there was No such great tribulation such as was Not seen since the beginning of the world......
So, this 'end times' generation of Revelation 7:14 is that great tribulation time frame.
The ' end times' before Jesus as Prince of Peace ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am wondering if you have an example in mind that Jesus believes the opposite.
If Jesus believed the opposite then he would Not have been in harmony with referring to or quoting the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his teachings as he was.

In Genesis God promised father Abraham that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed, and ALL families of Earth will be blessed.
At Revelation 22:2 I find Jesus will fulfill God's promise because mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of Earth's nations. So, ALL families and ALL nations will be blessed with healing through Jesus.

It's not a deep thing. It's the nature of christianity

Hebrews 13:8
Malachi 3:6
James 1:17
Isaiah 40:8

And so forth

"No, monk, there is no form... no feeling... no perception... there are no fabrications... there is no consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity." [1]SN 22.97

Impermanent are all component things, They arise and cease, that is their nature: They come into being and pass away, Release from them is bliss supreme. Aniccaa vata sa"nkhaaraa — uppaada vaya dhammino Uppajjitvaa nirujjhanti — tesa.m vuupasamo sukho.

— Mahaa-Parinibbaana Sutta (DN 16)[1

It is what it is. God doesn't change. I don't agree with that. Life changes all the time: god included.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am wondering if you have an example in mind that Jesus believes the opposite.
If Jesus believed the opposite then he would Not have been in harmony with referring to or quoting the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his teachings as he was.

In Genesis God promised father Abraham that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed, and ALL families of Earth will be blessed.
At Revelation 22:2 I find Jesus will fulfill God's promise because mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of Earth's nations. So, ALL families and ALL nations will be blessed with healing through Jesus.

This change. Jesus believes the opposite. What you quoted doesn't relate to my reply nor point.

 

[Ingledsva]

I do think God makes it known to all equally (who want it) because just as Jesus said the good news message about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is proclaimed world wide just as Jesus said it would be done at Matthew 24:14 and at Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

That one small tribe was just to lead people to Messiah, since Messiah (Jesus) all nations of Earth are included.
First, to the Jewish nation, then the Samaritans, then starting with Cornelius to the peoples of the gentile nations.

That is the weirdness of Christian and Muslim thinking.

To me your Bible is just one of many religious texts. You folks seem to think if we just hear your Bible, or read it, WHAM, we believe in your God.

It doesn't work that way. Many religions have good things to teach.

I've actually studied the Bible and I believe, because of the violence, rape, owned women, orders to kill those whom are different, etc., that it can not be the words of a God, but is instead the writings of men and what MEN want to do. = Own women, slaves, rape, war, murder others, take other people's lands, etc.

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[URAVIP2ME]

I've actually studied the Bible and I believe, because of the violence, rape, owned women, orders to kill those whom are different, etc., that it can not be the words of a God, but is instead the writings of men and what MEN want to do. = Own women, slaves, rape, war, murder others, take other people's lands, etc.
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First, I find Eve was Not blamed , but Adam was.
The slavery of old was Not the same as the slave-trade business of the Old South.
Woman were made in God's image. Man and women were to co-operate, Not compete, with each other.
The Old Law said to 'honor' mother...
Pregnant women where given honorable consideration at Exodus chapter 21.
Women could obtain a field, vineyard, besides run her own business - Proverbs 31:11; Proverbs 31:16-19.
Women could run a profitable business - Proverbs 31:24.
Women had a personal relationship with God such as Hannah did at 1 Samuel 1:11; 1 Samuel 1:24-28.
The woman of 2 Kings 4:22-25 consulted Elisha on Sabbath days.
Men did seek advice from Deborah and Huldah (women) as per Judges 4:4-8; 2 Kings 22:14-16; 2 Kings 14:20.
Women were included to education about the Law - Deuteronomy 31:12; Nehemiah 8:2; Nehemiah 8:8.
Women served at the tabernacle as per Exodus 38:1; 1 Chronicles 25:5-6
Women were to share in educating male children - Proverbs 31:1.
Children were Not to forsake the law of the mother as per Proverbs 1:8.
The woman who was unfairly treated, God stepped in at 2 Kings 4:1-7.
Women could inherit even if No sons were in the family - Numbers 27:1-8.
Jesus did Not treat women as inferior. Remember the Woman at the Well.
Older woman treated as mothers, and younger women as sisters - 1 Timothy 5:2.
Women's place was Not just for the kitchen - Luke 10:38-42.
Jesus chose ' women ' to bear witness to his resurrection first.
Husbands are to assign honor to their wives 1 Peter 3:7; Genesis 21:12.

The ' promised land ' area was promised by God so that land was under His regulations.
The Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18 also applied to foreigners - Leviticus 19:33-34.
The Gibeonites chose to accept God's regulations and they could stay in the promised land.
Those who were executed (not murdered) were for the sake of justice for the righteous.