Proof!

[Azakel]

Hey Bill, when you speak of "proof", what bottle of alcohol are you referring to?

I bet it's Everclear.

 

[Engyo]

No, but you do lack the ability to properly express yourself! If I claim that this, posting of messages, on the internet proves that Engyo exists, I have a serious mental problem. i.e. This exchange between you and I proves that some coward, hiding behind his or her keyboard, calling themselves Engyo exists somewhere in the world. If I hold a close and personal conversation with whoever you really are, then I have firm proof that you are a person.

In the same manor, because there is an active and ongoing conversation with God "I," not you, have complete proof that God is! You can dance around 'til the cows come home, son, but all you're doing is demonstrating your lack of education when you misuse the already over worked expression, circular logic.

Bill -

Thank you so much! Your rude and snarky comments have convinced me of the error of my ways! I have seen the light of your wisdom! You are such a wonderful and shining example of the greatness of and compassion of Christianity! I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!!!!


NOT.

 

[tumbleweed41]

But back to the subject at hand. Your "Just a theory" argument.
Are you at all aware of what a scientific theory is?
It's a simple question. Be honest with me.

Spin doctoring will get you into Hell just as quickly as you could ever desire.

Come on Bill. It is a very simple question. What are you afraid of? One of your arguments is that Evolution is "just a theory". I agree. Evolution is a scientific theory.
Now, do you actually know what a scientific theory is?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Bill -

Thank you so much! Your rude and snarky comments have convinced me of the error of my ways! I have seen the light of your wisdom! You are such a wonderful and shing example of the greatness of Christianity! I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!!!!


NOT.

As a former Southern Baptist Deacon, I have to say Bill is a shining example of the Church I once belonged to.

 

[tarasan]

Why cant a christian be a thiestic evolutionsit?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!!!!

Don't you mean "if"?

 

[Engyo]

Don't you mean "if"?

Well, yeah, there is that.............haven't canceled my membership in the Lost Boys yet.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

I gave you the most comprehensive reference I know of in the second paragraph of the OP. I'm sorry to have to mention it but reading and thought is required!

Ah, the Baker Encyclopedia. I've read it. I wasn't impressed.

Even a man like myself that carries a government GED can answer that, and you don't know?

Tell you what, why don't you tell me, in your own words, what you think a scientific theory is.

You make these grand sounding generalized statements that add uyp to excessive use of hot humid air and yet offer nothing?

I can only point you in the right direction. I'm not going to hold your hand and walk you through the whole thing. I'm sorry to have to mention it but reading and thought are required.

You're not very good at baiting a trap, are you? I am aware that since I left school there has been a redefining of terms and insertion of others to attempt to confuse and mislead. I am very much aware that you kids have decided to call adaptation Micro-evolution in a stupid and foolish attempt to make, what you now call Macro-evolution look more possible.

Satans_Serrated_Edge already did a great job of answering this.

Incorrect. There is no separation or distinction in scientific circles, evolution is evolution. The terms macro and micro are only used by the same people that use the non-word, 'evolutionist'. That is, creationists like yourself.

Your problem is that for a single cell creature to rise out of that, theoretical, slime pool it must then grow, evolve, into thousands and thousands of highly specialized animals. And for man to have "evolved" from a monkey that evolved from several lessor species involves the complete change of species over several different "major" generational changes. But there is absolutely no evidence available that has stood the tests of time and repeated examination. Every example put forward at this time has fallen victim to the truth,l the same truth that Nebraska Man fell to, the scientists lied!

Ardipithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Australopithecus afarensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo habilis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo erectus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo antecessor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo heidelbergensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homo neanderthalensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and just for giggles:

List of Transitional Fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Care to try again?

You need to get busy writing a new text book, that message is not being taught anywhere that I know of.

Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only creationists don't mark the distinction.

Here's another one for you that you've probably never heard before. Evolution says nothing, absolutely nothing, about the existence or non-existence of god. In fact, evolution and belief in god are NOT incompatible.

Theistic evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The_Evelyonian]

As a former Southern Baptist Deacon, I have to say Bill is a shining example of the Church I once belonged to.

As someone who periodically attends a Southern Baptist church (for the lulz), I can bear witness to the above statement.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

So, after reading through this thread, I can't help but wonder:

Do you think our dear friend th1bill is a Landover or a Westboro?

 

[Engyo]

So, after reading through this thread, I can't help but wonder:

Do you think our dear friend th1bill is a Landover or a Westboro?

Location is listed as SE Texas. I don't think either of those churches has a branch here, but I could be wrong about that.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Location is listed as SE Texas. I don't think either of those churches has a branch here, but I could be wrong about that.

What I meant was, Do you think he's a poe or do you think he really is that goofy?

Landover Baptist Church is a satire.

Westboro Baptist Church is crazy enough to seem satirical, but they aren't. They're genuinely insane.

 

[tumbleweed41]

So, after reading through this thread, I can't help but wonder:

Do you think our dear friend th1bill is a Landover or a Westboro?

No, he fits fight into the Southern Baptist mindset.

Southern Baptist Convention

Southern Baptist Convention

 

[Azakel]

So, after reading through this thread, I can't help but wonder:

Do you think our dear friend th1bill is a Landover or a Westboro?

Well if he's Landover it's being done for LOLs., because there a fake church. A Parody.
hehe, Opps read on and saw you know this(many people don't seem to though)

 

[Tiapan]

I can't see a contradiction between evolution and the order in which everything was created in Genesis, however current scientific theory contradicts the christiaon creation myth(I don't mean anybody any disrespect in calling it a myth, I just view it the same as I do greek mythology and such; it falls under the same category for me ) in the amount of time it takes for the G man to create the earth. Physics won't allow such a planet to form in 7 days(granted that the big bang theory doesn't mention this but I'm looking at it strictly from a scientific point of view).

I am also curious about th1's views on how these theories are contradictory to their theory.

Sorry Enlightened One I meant to direct this question to our friend Bill.

so I will restate my question

To th1bill

Just curious to find why there is any contradiction between your belief and the theory of evolution or the big bang. If there is a fear could you point out where the conflict arises. I see them as mutually exclusive one is a theory the other wishful thinking.

Cheers

 

[The Enlightened One]

Sorry Enlightened One I meant to direct this question to our friend Bill.

so I will restate my question

To th1bill

Just curious to find why there is any contradiction between your belief and the theory of evolution or the big bang. If there is a fear could you point out where the conflict arises. I see them as mutually exclusive one is a theory the other wishful thinking.

Cheers

Lol sorry Tiapan, I missed the quote in your post :sorry1:

 

[Autodidact]

There is a reoccurring argument that is falsely used by the lost man of the world today against the Christian Community of believers. That is that we use circular logic to arrive at our conclusions and hidden in this statement is the lie that they do not! These false teachers would have everyone to believe that outside of the Bible, there is no reason to believe that Yahweh, God, exists and nothing could be farther from the truth.


There is a book that intimidates Christian and lost man alike, the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics. The price is not even a problem if we look for it on line we find a copy at a1books.com for $26.08 at the writing of this article. This work, by Norman Giesler, is the result of forty years of research, on his part. Included is possibly, every extra-biblical reference, available, at this time, to events occurring in the scriptures. There is even documentation for the three hours of night, in the middle of the day, when Jesus was crucified.


The known world, at that time was Europe, Africa and Asia Minor. Both Greek and Roman historians, not present in Israel, recorded the three hour without the Sun making it a "known” world event and not a local event. But I digress!


On the other hand, the believers in Evolution and the Big Bang do exactly what they accuse us of doing. They use their text books to prove that these theories, now remember, please, these are just theories, are the method of creation for the universe and mankind. (Please reread that last sentence slowwwlllyyy! There is no, and I say it with emphasis, no conclusive proof for evolution having ever occurred. What is spoon fed to our young people, as evidence, are examples of fish, butterflies and others adapting to their environment. The Blind Fish is still a fish, he or she just lives in utter dark and does not meed eyes any longer. In the same manor butterflies have demonstrated their ability to adapt to their environment by changing colors, lizards do that every day, here in SE Texas.


And so goes the myth that if man evolved, the universe had it's own origin, independent of God, pure unadulterated Hog Wash! That "belief?” defies everything known in the scientific realm. If you begin with nothing, no matter what you do to it, it remains, nothing. Matter, condensed or expanded, has an origin, God did it!


Christian, get up off your rear end and stand for God!


Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic and all the rest of you, study, we will miss you in Heaven if you follow the lies you have chosen.

So basically science doesn't work?

btw, do you really think threatening me with an imaginary being will be effective?

 

[Autodidact]

There is a reoccurring argument that is falsely used by the lost man of the world today against the Christian Community of believers. That is that we use circular logic to arrive at our conclusions and hidden in this statement is the lie that they do not! These false teachers would have everyone to believe that outside of the Bible, there is no reason to believe that Yahweh, God, exists and nothing could be farther from the truth.


There is a book that intimidates Christian and lost man alike, the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics. The price is not even a problem if we look for it on line we find a copy at a1books.com for $26.08 at the writing of this article. This work, by Norman Giesler, is the result of forty years of research, on his part. Included is possibly, every extra-biblical reference, available, at this time, to events occurring in the scriptures. There is even documentation for the three hours of night, in the middle of the day, when Jesus was crucified.

I believe you're mistaken. There is not contemporary historical documentation for this phenomenon. If there is, would you cite it please? Thank you.

btw, and speaking of consistency, if it turns out you're mistaken, will that cause you to stop believing?

The known world, at that time was Europe, Africa and Asia Minor. Both Greek and Roman historians, not present in Israel, recorded the three hour without the Sun making it a "known” world event and not a local event. But I digress!

Can you provide any contemporary sources?

On the other hand, the believers in Evolution and the Big Bang do exactly what they accuse us of doing. They use their text books to prove that these theories, now remember, please, these are just theories, are the method of creation for the universe and mankind.

You don't know the first thing about science, do you? These statements are simply false. If you wish to discuss the evidence that the Theory of Evolution is correct, I would be happy to do so. You do realize it has nothing to do with whether Christianity is also correct, right? I suggest you go look up what a scientific theory is, before you lead us to wonder if you're an ignorant boob.

(Please reread that last sentence slowwwlllyyy!

Please do.

There is no, and I say it with emphasis, no conclusive proof for evolution having ever occurred.

I'm so tired of fighting the same ignorance over and over. The word you should be looking for, bill, is evidence. As I say, if you're interested in discussing the literal mountains of evidence that caused the scientific world to accept this theory, I am happy to do so. If not, please stop spouting off ignorant nonsense about it, 'kay?

What is spoon fed to our young people, as evidence, are examples of fish, butterflies and others adapting to their environment. The Blind Fish is still a fish, he or she just lives in utter dark and does not meed eyes any longer. In the same manor butterflies have demonstrated their ability to adapt to their environment by changing colors, lizards do that every day, here in SE Texas.

So are you saying that new species do not come into existence? That every species present on earth was created in its present form?

And so goes the myth that if man evolved, the universe had it's own origin, independent of God, pure unadulterated Hog Wash! That "belief?” defies everything known in the scientific realm. If you begin with nothing, no matter what you do to it, it remains, nothing. Matter, condensed or expanded, has an origin, God did it!

Wouldn't it be hilarious if anyone actually believed any of that? I've never met anyone who has said anything of the kind, here on RF or elsewhere. Tell you what, instead of telling us what we believe, how about if you ask us? Unless you don't really want to know, that is.

bill: All this sort of thing does is contribute to the stereotype that fundamentalist Christians are ignorant about science. Is that what you want?

Just for starters, consider this: No scientific theory asserts that there is no God. Read that sentence over slowwwlllyyy.

 

[Autodidact]

Since you are incapable o0f discerning what you are reading? I don't know how my telling you that the second paragraph is the reference you seek can possibly ever help, but there it is.

So your argument is that if there was an eclipse in around 33 A.D., then Jesus is God? is that right?

 

[Autodidact]

I seriously should have thought that even the simple minded could have figured out that an ongoing relationship with God would prove God to the person enjoying the fellowship. As for the authenticity of the scriptures... God is not denying them and He is quite satisfied with His endeavor there.

That's interesting. Is a schizophrenic's ongoing relationship with his voices proof that they are real?

So you didn't spot the circularity in your argument? You might want to read it over.