Proofs for God/Religion. Got a good one?

[Andy12]

A God could exist that considers pedantry a sin, and so the entire wager is flipped on its head.

explain how that would flip the wager on its head?
actually dont bother, go straight to the post below

 

[Andy12]

The point is that Pascal could lose in any case if he picks the wrong God. So if he picks the Christian God the Muslims might be right and he spends an eternity with a poker up his bottom.

oh i see. but what if you say that god is just a force, like an entity true toall religions, the bottom line of all existence and all religions?

 

[Me Myself]

but as pascal is showing, you ought to believe in him, so that if he does exist, you wont be punished. pascal was not discussing the other gods so they dont apply

You better believe in a long nmber of gods then, actually. There is more than one god that says s/he will fuliminate you if you don´t believe in him/her.

Of course make sure to keep the jelous ones from knowing you worship others, and remember to make sure all of the gods you worship think they are your favorites above all others.

If Pascal was right, then you could be doomed either way.

 

[PolyHedral]

oh i see. but what if you say that god is just a force, like an entity true toall religions, the bottom line of all existence and all religions?

Then what reason do you have to think God cares about what you believe at all?

 

[Me Myself]

oh i see. but what if you say that god is just a force, like an entity true toall religions, the bottom line of all existence and all religions?

THen hell probably doesn´t exist as something eternal, because there is only a handful of reigions that say it is eternal.

 

[Andy12]

Then what reason do you have to think God cares about what you believe at all?

because most gods do, it's a trait uniform to all gods in known religions

 

[PolyHedral]

because most gods do, it's a trait uniform to all gods in known religions

Hindu "gods" don't. More importantly, most religions don't believe in anything comparable to the Christian God at all.

 

[Me Myself]

because most gods do, it's a trait uniform to all gods in known religions

But most gods are also wrathfull if you don´t worship them specificaly. So I hope you have been worshipping aphrodite, she can be really wengeful if not feeling loved. And Zeus. And a bunch of others.

 

[Andy12]

But most gods are also wrathfull if you don´t worship them specificaly. So I hope you have been worshipping aphrodite, she can be really wengeful if not feeling loved. And Zeus. And a bunch of others.

such ridiculous gods are clearly wrong. god is a principle, not a person.

 

[cablescavenger]

Trying to dis/prove God is a fool's game.

You are right, you can only disprove something that has been previously proven.

 

[cablescavenger]

No compelling reason to reject belief in God.

Is that your proof then

 

[cablescavenger]

Yes. Given a pantheistic definition of deity, the mere existence of the universe/reality/nature is proof as it is itself, deity. You either agree with this definition or don't, and if you agree it is self-evidently obvious. There is no "proving" a definition of a word that I know of.

To get even more basic, "existing" means a great many things. Existence as an idea is still a type of existing. If you can think about it, it exists, in some sense of the term. Again, for self-evidently obvious reasons. Unless you want to get into the extremes of philosophical skepticism, which derails us into absurd territories. All beliefs at some point stem from acceptance of unprovable assumptions. Faith, if you will. Doesn't matter if it is belief in deity or belief in the chair you're sitting on. Some folks just take some beliefs for granted while others don't. For me, deity existing is as self-evident and obvious as the chair I'm sitting on. Deity is in the chair.

No proof then. Just pure imagination.

 

[PolyHedral]

such ridiculous gods are clearly wrong. god is a principle, not a person.

I disagree; gods are clearly entities, not abstract principles.

 

[Andy12]

I disagree; gods are clearly entities, not abstract principles.

not necessarily. if i believe in God as a principle, that's acceptable.

 

[PolyHedral]

not necessarily. if i believe in God as a principle, that's acceptable.

You're belief in God is a principle; it doesn't make sense for God himself to be abstract.

 

[muffin8or]

oh i see. but what if you say that god is just a force, like an entity true toall religions, the bottom line of all existence and all religions?

Then what about a God who sees that as indecisive and decides to punish you for it? There is no way to win with Pascal's wager

 

[muffin8or]

No proof then. Just pure imagination.

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Whenever someone says pure imagination I always think of this. I came to a conclusion with another person on this thread that you can say God is whatever you want and be equally valid as anyone else.

 

[Andy12]

You're belief in God is a principle; it doesn't make sense for God himself to be abstract.

Why not? no, i'm saying that god may be an underlying force rather than a personality

 

[PolyHedral]

Why not? no, i'm saying that god may be an underlying force rather than a personality

Then "he" doesn't care; beause it does not have a mind. You can't have your anthropomorphization cake and eat it too.

 

[Andy12]

Then what about a God who sees that as indecisive and decides to punish you for it? There is no way to win with Pascal's wager

such a god is far less likely to exist than the principle or force which underlies all nature, which is what i was taking about