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Proofs that Islam is true and Christianity is false?
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Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
And while we're at it, any proof that either Islam or Christianity is? Why is it between those two?
Dingbat
Avatar of Brittania
Why isn't Judaism in the running? I mean it basically set the whole God of Abraham thing into motion. Seems a bit odd. I also don't get why people have this view of they are right everyone else must be wrong. If the God of Abraham is real then obviously he would have different ways of worshipping him since the world is a rather diverse and complex place.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Some never do seem to count Judaism... Sigh...
If any of the big three are true I'd wager on that being it. It came first.
If any of the big three are true I'd wager on that being it. It came first.
I can think of many:
(1)All of us are born Muslims. Our parents and society then make us Kaafir.
(2)Quran. The linguistic and mathematical miracles of the Quran cannot have been produced by a human being.
(3)I am nearly certain that the discovery of the Higgs Boson recently was also prophesized in the Quran over 1300 years ago. Just give it some time and the appropriate verse and the surrounding context will be made known.
(4)Allah performed more miracles than Yahweh. Allah performed all the miracles of Yahweh. In addition to those he also helped Mohammed (PBUH) split the moon, fly between Mecca and Jerusalem on Buraq, the flying donkey, etc.
(5)Quran itself claims that it is the word of God.
(6)Islam is the world's fastest growing religion - so it must be true.
aymen amir
peace
muslims don't clam that Christianity is not a true religion ......WE muslims believe that Islam has overwritten Christianity because its the last revelation from GOD .....us muslims are 100 % sure that Christianity and Islam come from the Same source
illykitty
RF's pet cat
I've also wondered why Judaism isn't a choice. I mean, if what I heard/read is correct, Jesus doesn't fit the description of messiah thus it renders Christianity and Islam invalid. If Jesus isn't the messiah and Christianity and Islam say it is then it is a contradiction... They can't both be right!
Btw, I'm not a Jew so I might be totally wrong on this and I just want to bring Judaism into the picture since it has a valid point too. Plus it makes for a more interesting thread.
Btw, I'm not a Jew so I might be totally wrong on this and I just want to bring Judaism into the picture since it has a valid point too. Plus it makes for a more interesting thread.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
We certainly do need to debate it. There could easily be no gods at all.
Dingbat
Avatar of Brittania
I've also wondered why Judaism isn't a choice. I mean, if what I heard/read is correct, Jesus doesn't fit the description of messiah thus it renders Christianity and Islam invalid. If Jesus isn't the messiah and Christianity and Islam say it is then it is a contradiction... They can't both be right!
Btw, I'm not a Jew so I might be totally wrong on this and I just want to bring Judaism into the picture since it has a valid point too. Plus it makes for a more interesting thread.
It doesn't rule out Islam as they claim he was merely a prophet and not a messiah as Christians claim.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Then all hail the great prophet Prof. Peter Higgs.
More seriously, how can the Quran possibly talking about the Higgs at a time when physics as we know it doesn't even exist?
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
None of the Abrahamic faiths are any more True or False than other Abrahamic faiths. They are all regional perceptions of the same thing.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Yeah but who says the Abrahamic faiths are more true then other religions?
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Not I, but the OP is specifically speaking of the differences in Islam and Christianity so I answered in that context. Not that they are going to listen to my words of wisdom...
There are many religions and Gods that have as much credence as the above,its just a matter of opinion really,IMO
predavlad
Skeptic
I think what he wrote was a satire, I can't imagine someone actually believing those things
PolyHedral said:
I think what he wrote was a satire, I can't imagine someone actually believing those things
Thank you! I see that I have given the wrong impression. I should have used (sarcasm) (/sarcasm) tags.
This discussion is completely subjective and will never reach any conclusion. That the followers of any one single religion would have the audacity to claim that their doctrine has better answers to such divine, awesome and far-reaching questions is absolutely astonishing and ridiculous. I don't see how more people don't make the connection that we're a tiny insignificant spec of dust in the universe that coule be totally wiped out by a passing asteroid at ANY time, and so your musings on the divine mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I've heard theists before talking about how we cannot understand God because we are only human - well, if that's the case, I would ask "well, how is it you seem to know so much about him then?", and how come they're always telling us what he wants and what he thinks and what he will do to us if we don't believe in him?
We criticize our fellow man for arrogance and audacity. When our fellow man claims to know about things he obviously couldn't, we tell them to get lost and stop blowing hot air. Oh, but when a pastor stands up and tells us the nature of the universe, we all say it's gospel truth! What the hell is wrong with the world?!
I've heard theists before talking about how we cannot understand God because we are only human - well, if that's the case, I would ask "well, how is it you seem to know so much about him then?", and how come they're always telling us what he wants and what he thinks and what he will do to us if we don't believe in him?
We criticize our fellow man for arrogance and audacity. When our fellow man claims to know about things he obviously couldn't, we tell them to get lost and stop blowing hot air. Oh, but when a pastor stands up and tells us the nature of the universe, we all say it's gospel truth! What the hell is wrong with the world?!
Firstly, Islam regards Jesus as the Messiah as stated in the Qur'an but the role and definition of the Messiah in Islam is different. Christians say he was God, some say a God, both say the literal Son of God, and Muslims say he was merely a prophet as recorded also in the Qur'an.
Secondly, Judaism is a rather minor religion of about 14 million adherents. Yes, it was the basis for Christianity, Islam, and the Baha'i Faith but to me it has regressed into adherence to tradition rather than say Islam where a number of Muslims have a fervent dedication to their religion's principles. Islam in a way actually speaks against tradition, and the Baha'i Faith even more so.
Thirdly, the Jews haven't had a Prophet in over 2,500 years. Like I said, tradition has sunk in to the point where if the Messiah would come they would regard him as a blasphemer, especially in this day and age. They would probably lock him up in a psych ward of a hospital and force feed him anti-psychotics.
Fourthly,
(1) Muslim in Arabic is one who follows Islam. The word Islam comes same root as the word Salam meaning peace. Peace is the message of God, therefore wouldn't it be reasonable that a Coptic Christian could call himself a Muslim yet deny the Qur'an's validity? Or even a Jew?
(2) Mark 13:22 "For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and will perform signs and wonders to lead astray..." Try and prove the truthfulness of the Qur'an without the "miracles" within its pages. Matthew 12:38-39 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, Teacher, we want to see a sign from You. But He answered them, An evil and adulterous generation demands a sign..."
(3) Mark 13:22 "For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and will perform signs and wonders to lead astray..." Try and prove the truthfulness of the Qur'an without the "miracles" within its pages.
(4) Miracles cannot be counted as proof. Were you there? Did you see these "miracles" performed? For if you count "miracles" among the ways of proving truthfulness then you must accept Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, as a Messenger. To get even more ridiculous, what about the Greek pantheon? Zeus and other gods are said to have performed miraculous feats. Are they messengers too? What about Lao Tzu? He was born from his mother's womb when he was an old man.
(5) So do the guys who presently say they are the return of Jesus. Baha'u'llah of the Baha'i faith revealed that his message was the truth. Do you accept his message as the fulfillment of Islam?
(6) If you are serious about that statement I apologize in advance if I offend you because I that is so lame I believe that it was intended to spice up this thread with a little humor.
Lastly, is this all? Is there no other proofs? Please, I really want a well crafted thought-out argument as to why Islam is true and Christianity as we know it today is false.
As you may have figured out, I was just pulling your leg. Perhaps Muslims on RF can come forward with proofs establishing Islam over Christianity.
I, personally, would find such an exercise completely futile. But hey, this is your thread. I am neither a Muslim nor a Christian. I am out of here.
Au revoir.