Prop H8 mostly upheld

[Nanda]

Your insults and militant attitude will push your agenda back 10 years.

Because it's been attitude that's kept gays from their civil rights until now.

 

[themadhair]

Irrelevant stuff

Can you actually, for once, address something I actually said?

If someone is using their religious beliefs to oppose equal rights then I strongly believed they should be called out for that. Now what does this sentiment, the core of my argument which I which I have now stated multiple times, have to do with your completely irrelevant polemic?

How is calling people out for such a ‘militant attitude’???
How is calling people out for such pushing my “agenda back 10 years”???

Remember Martin Luther King?

I do:

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.
We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

He did a whole lot more for equal rights than you ever will, perhaps you might spend your time more productively studying his methods to achieve equal rights than pursuing your abrasive attacks.

So calling people out of their opposition to unequal rights in a strong manner is ‘abrasive’? Why do your comments read like passive-aggressive crap to me?

You seriously need to change your attitude about religious folks.

I notice you are deliberately attempting to make my comments something they are not. Please stop it.

 

[Al Bundy]

I would like to see more faith groups getting involved on the equal rights side of this issue. The UUs, the UCC, the DOC, the MCC, and many other groups are supportive of the idea of gay marriage. It would be nice for people to see that Prop 8 supporters don't have a monopoly on religious faith.

:yes: Thank you for this. Please don't lump all of us in with the fundies.

 

[J Bryson]

:yes: Thank you for this. Please don't lump all of us in with the fundies.

Well, when we remember the positive role that so many churches and temples played in the civil rights movements of the 50s and 60s, then it's easy to see that religion can be a major force for good in the world.

 

[Al Bundy]

Well, when we remember the positive role that so many churches and temples played in the civil rights movements of the 50s and 60s, then it's easy to see that religion can be a major force for good in the world.

Indeed. :bow:

 

[Autodidact]

:yes: Thank you for this. Please don't lump all of us in with the fundies.

But it seems that on this issue the liberals are rather quiet, unfortunately.

 

[J Bryson]

But it seems that on this issue the liberals are rather quiet, unfortunately.

Not all of us. The police estimated that 300-350 marchers showed up to my church on the Day of Decision, and we had a number of religious speakers in addition to secular activists. However, I would like to see even more faith leaders come forward to counteract the pernicious influence of those who call themselves Christians, but rarely speak of love.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Not all of us. The police estimated that 300-350 marchers showed up to my church on the Day of Decision, and we had a number of religious speakers in addition to secular activists. However, I would like to see even more faith leaders come forward to counteract the pernicious influence of those who call themselves Christians, but rarely speak of love.

We all could use more love in this world, that's for sure.

 

[Green Gaia]

Well, when we remember the positive role that so many churches and temples played in the civil rights movements of the 50s and 60s, then it's easy to see that religion can be a major force for good in the world.

That's why we exist. :chalice:

 

[Green Gaia]

Jerry Brown again says Prop. 8 should be struck down

In his response to a federal lawsuit, California's attorney general maintains the ballot measure violates the U.S. Constitution.

By Maura Dolan and Carol J. Williams
June 13, 2009

California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown once again refused to defend Proposition 8's ban on same-sex marriage Friday, telling a federal judge that it violated the U.S. Constitution and should be struck down.

Brown made his arguments in response to a federal lawsuit against the state by two gay couples who contend the initiative violates federal due process and equal protection guarantees.

The court's decision was not the end. This isn't going away. :rainbow1:

 

[Smoke]

Well, when we remember the positive role that so many churches and temples played in the civil rights movements of the 50s and 60s, then it's easy to see that religion can be a major force for good in the world.

And when we remember the negative role that so many churches have played in every civil rights movement in history, and especially this one, it's easy to see that religion can be a major force for evil in the world, too. In fact, they seem to prefer the latter.