Prophet Jesus (PBUH) Never Claimed Divinity

[A-ManESL]

Whats Injeel ?

Injeel is another name for Gospel.

Regards

 

[Green Kepi]

no...thats a complete lie

nowhere in Sahih hadis or Quran this has been mentioned

many Christian missionary quote Quran out of context if you see the context it will be completely different

Surely, you are not serious. If you were to convert...that would then make you an unbeliever. So...tell me...what does this then mean? Hadith 9:50... "whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.

“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:19/Hadith 9:4.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Actually Green Kepi John 1 agrees with the Quran about Jesus. I used to be both a Christian and a Muslim, and if you read John 1 in context, it is saying that God created Jesus with a word, which is what the Quran also says.

John 1- In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

That can be taken two ways. Either as applying to Jesus, or merely applying to words that God speaks, like when God created the world with a word. I don't believe Jesus was God, so I think it more likely John was referring to God speaking here, which of course the word is God, because it was spoken by God's mouth. Then later John says:

The word became flesh and dwelt among us full of grace and truth.

It is speaking of God creating Jesus by speaking a word, which agrees with the Quran:

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is that of Adam, for God said to Adam: "Be", and he was."

If John 1 was saying Jesus was God then it contradicts itself later in the chapter by saying:

"No man has seen God at anytime, the only begotten son who is close to the Father, he has spoken of Him."

Is John 1 contradicting itself? Not if you read it the way I do, and Jesus was God's son the way Jews believe we're all God's sons and daughters, because God created us.

Just my two cents


Edit: I am no longer a Muslim, so I have no bias for interpreting John 1 that way, since I don't believe either the Bible or the Quran are God's Word. I just honestly feel that view of John 1 makes the most sense from my personal exegesis.

 

[Green Kepi]

Actually Green Kepi John 1 agrees with the Quran about Jesus. I used to be both a Christian and a Muslim, and if you read John 1 in context, it is saying that God created Jesus with a word, which is what the Quran also says.

John 1- In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

That can be taken two ways. Either as applying to Jesus, or merely applying to words that God speaks, like when God created the world with a word. I don't believe Jesus was God, so I think it more likely John was referring to God speaking here, which of course the word is God, because it was spoken by God's mouth. Then later John says:

The word became flesh and dwelt among us full of grace and truth.

It is speaking of God creating Jesus by speaking a word, which agrees with the Quran:

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is that of Adam, for God said to Adam: "Be", and he was."

If John 1 was saying Jesus was God then it contradicts itself later in the chapter by saying:

"No man has seen God at anytime, the only begotten son who is close to the Father, he has spoken of Him."

Is John 1 contradicting itself? Not if you read it the way I do, and Jesus was God's son the way Jews believe we're all God's sons and daughters, because God created us.

Just my two cents


Edit: I am no longer a Muslim, so I have no bias for interpreting John 1 that way, since I don't believe either the Bible or the Quran are God's Word. I just honestly feel that view of John 1 makes the most sense from my personal exegesis.

Thanks for your comments...may I add 'my two cents'? I do not read into it that Jesus was a created being. His claim that He always was. Jesus was not "begotten". Newer versions state "only son"...[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]in the original Greek, the word does not mean a son who was born or created... μονογενης υιος, or monogenes huios.

[/FONT]God allowed Jesus to create the whole thing (John 1:3)...the second time (the universe existed before the creation of the earth) (2 Peter 3:5). Jesus created us...not God...the Scripture state... "Through Him (Jesus)...all things were made...".

I worked with many Muslims when I trained with Egypt’s Army…and the ones that I talked to about religion…told me that Judas, not Jesus, was crucified on the cross, in a case of mistaken identity. I’m convinced that Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. I chose Christianity because it is a faith in which God sent His Son to die for Me…that’s one reason I am a Christian….

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I worked with many Muslims when I trained with Egypt’s Army…and the ones that I talked to about religion…told me that Judas, not Jesus, was crucified on the cross, in a case of mistaken identity. I’m convinced that Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. I chose Christianity because it is a faith in which God sent His Son to die for Me…that’s one reason I am a Christian….

Well you'd be wrong. Because it is never stated explicitedly that Judas died in Jesus' place in any Islamic literature. Also, the Quran isn't clearcut as to whether Jesus died or not, just that his enemies did not kill him, and that he didn't die for sin. The Quran also says Allah allowed Jesus to taste death and then raised him to himself. It may be Surah V- The Table Spread that states this, I don't quite remember, but this is what I take from that anyway.

The Quran says that Jesus didn't die for sin, and that his enemies can't take credit for killing him, because Jesus belongs to Allah, and Allah had to allow Jesus to die.

 

[sojourner]

I
Position of Jesus (peace be on him) in Islam:

(i)
Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).

(ii)
We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).

(iii)
We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

(iv)

We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).

(v)
We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

(iv)
We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.

II
CONCEPT OF GOD IN CHRISTIANITY:

1.
Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity


One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):

(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]

2.
The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law


Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]

3.
God Sent Jesus' (pbuh)

The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:

(i)

"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
[The Bible, John 14:24]

(ii)

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
[The Bible, John 17:3]

4.
Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity


Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

"And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]

Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).

5.
Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God


The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

6.
The First Commandment is that God is One


The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."

This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.

Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.




III
CONCEPT OF GOD IN OLD TESTAMENT:

1.
God is One


The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

2.
Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah

The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:

(i)

"I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

(ii)

"I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

(iii)

"I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

3.

Old Testament condemns idol worship

(i)

Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]

(ii)

A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:

"Thou shalt have none other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]

the Church developed a Deific view of Jesus from the beginning. John is highly Christological, and implies throughout that Jesus was more than simply human. So the idea was around before the Bible became the Bible. I don't see how you can, with any certainty, say that "Jesus never claimed Divinity," since the only quotations we have of Jesus are found in canonized and non-canonized Xian texts. And some of them are pretty telling.

 

[Green Kepi]

Well you'd be wrong. Because it is never stated explicitedly that Judas died in Jesus' place in any Islamic literature.

I agree with you; however, I heard what I heard...those Muslims believed the faked Gospel of Barnabas that Judas was crucified being mistakened for Jesus and that Jesus lived to an old age. I know you are Muslim...but you have to agree you all have as many differences as there are many differences among Christians. Why? Because we are ALL 'dang' humans...!

 

[Islam432]

Can you tell me which verse in all the verses you have quoted contradicts Jesus’ statement "My Father and I are One"? If elsewhere Jesus says, "I do all works in my Father's name", how does this constitute a contradiction? Which dutiful son would not be proud to do everything in his Father's name? And praising one’s Father as the greatest would but give a loving son the greatest of joys.

"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one"

And if you read bible there are tons of son's of god...Adam(pbuh) is son of god...Ibrahim(pbuh) is son of god....and its written in bible "anyone who is leaded by the spirit of of god is a son of god"

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[Islam432]

Surely, you are not serious. If you were to convert...that would then make you an unbeliever. So...tell me...what does this then mean? Hadith 9:50... "whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.

“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:19/Hadith 9:4.

Bro , you are Quoting out of context if you read the full thing you will know the context yourself , ive told you before if you want to know about islam read Quran and Life Of Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh) not what critic of Islam says
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YouTube - Where ever you find KAFIR u kill them...

Actually this is what Christianity says but they are using it against Islam nowdays

According to the “Bible” God tells Moses and Aaron to go to the Midianites and kill all
the men, then take the booty, take all women and children back to their encampments, then kill all the mothers (because they had sex), then to kill all the boys, and finally to take all the virgins as slaves: 13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
[KJV Numbers 31:13-19] Stone them to death who leave your religion for an infidel religion:
1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
[KJV Deuteronomy 17:1-5]
Stone them to death who try to convert you to another religion:
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
[KJV Deuteronomy 13:6-10]

Ive Quoted the complete context , correct me if iam wrong

 

[Green Kepi]

Ive Quoted the complete context , correct me if iam wrong

Okay...correction. If you will notice...I am not claiming to be a Jew. I am Christian. The Laws of Moses has no authority over me. I am under one Law and that is the Law of Christ (which is only one law) and that is 'To Love others as myself'. Now...that's the hard one! To love my enemies. I have no problem treating my enemies as humanly as they will let me, but the love part is hard. And...I have read the 3 English translations and studied his life...but, I also understand...that's not supposed to be good enough....

By the way, you're doing a great job of defending Islam...but weren't you the one that has left your faith...why?

 

[Islam432]

Okay...correction. If you will notice...I am not claiming to be a Jew. I am Christian. The Laws of Moses has no authority over me. I am under one Law and that is the Law of Christ (which is only one law) and that is 'To Love others as myself'. Now...that's the hard one! To love my enemies. I have no problem treating my enemies as humanly as they will let me, but the love part is hard. And...I have read the 3 English translations and studied his life...but, I also understand...that's not supposed to be good enough....

By the way, you're doing a great job of defending Islam...but weren't you the one that has left your faith...why?

Yes me too i love jesus(Pbuh) only i dont consider him as god

And lol what makes you say i left my faith

 

[Islam432]

Okay...correction. If you will notice...I am not claiming to be a Jew. I am Christian. The Laws of Moses has no authority over me. I am under one Law and that is the Law of Christ (which is only one law)

Its written in the Red letter Bible which is supposed to highest in authority'

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

According to Bible you should follow Moses(pbuh)

 

[Islam432]

Well it's kinda true, because Hindus don't have an article of faith. I have been to more then a few Hindu temples that have pictures of Jesus in it. Some Hindus even believe he was an incarnation of God. (just not the only One) I have also heard Buddhist monks talk of Jesus as a great sage.

Concept of God according to Hindu Scriptures:

We can gain a better understanding of the concept of God in Hinduism by analysing Hindu scriptures.

BHAGAVAD GITA:

The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita.
Consider the following verse from the Gita:

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.

UPANISHADS:

The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus.

The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:

1. "Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

2. "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

3. "Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

4. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

1[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]

2[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]

3[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

4[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

THE VEDAS
Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.

1. Yajurveda
The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:

1. "na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
2. "shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
3. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink
deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]7

4. Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.

The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
"Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander."
[Yajurveda 40:16]8

5[Yajurveda by Devi Chand M.A. page 377]

6[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]

7[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]

8[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Griffith page 541]

2. Atharvaveda

The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
1. "Dev maha osi"
"God is verily great"
[Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9

3. Rigveda
1. The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus.
The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46: "Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many
names."
[Rigveda 1:164:46]

2. The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in
Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.

Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means ‘The Creator’. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or ‘Creator’ or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it.

Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:

"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

Another beautiful attribute of God mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3 is Vishnu. Vishnu means ‘The Sustainer’. Translated into Arabic it means Rabb. Again, Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Rabb or 'Sustainer' or Vishnu. But the popular image of

9[Atharveda Samhita vol 2 William Dwight Whitney page 910]

Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.

"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him"

The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:


3. "Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10

4. "Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11

Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:

The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:

"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"

"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."

Thus only a dispassionate study of the Hindu scriptures can help one understand the concept of God in Hinduism.

0[Rigveda Samhita vol. 9, pages 2810 and 2811 by Swami Satya Prakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]

11[Rigveda Samhita vol. 6, pages 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]

as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms:

1. The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be ‘Ahm at hi’ and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father".

2. Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.

3. The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba Chapter 34 verse 28 (34:28):

"We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not."

 

[Islam432]

Well it's kinda true, because Hindus don't have an article of faith. I have been to more then a few Hindu temples that have pictures of Jesus in it. Some Hindus even believe he was an incarnation of God. (just not the only One) I have also heard Buddhist monks talk of Jesus as a great sage.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Hindu scriptures
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YouTube - Dr. Zakir Naik rophet In Hindu Scriptures (4-7)
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YouTube - Dr. Zakir Naik rophet In Hindu Scriptures (5-7)

 

[Green Kepi]

Its written in the Red letter Bible which is supposed to highest in authority'

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

According to Bible you should follow Moses(pbuh)

Naw...Jesus here is teaching about the Law, true. However, some Jews had accused Him of not following the Law...when He says, "I have not come to abolish them but to FULFILL them...", He's saying I'm teaching them more clearly and He starts in verses 21-48. Verse 18 He says, "nothing will disappear from the Law UNTIL everything is accomplished"...meaning His death on the Cross. Jesus did not speak against the Law itself, but against the abuses and excesses to which it had been subjected (John 1:17). The Law was to last only till 'the seed' would come and the 'seed' was Christ. (Gal. 3:16-19).

You're doing to me as you say I'm doing to you...please read more and just don't take one verse and "run with it"....

 

[Green Kepi]

Yes me too i love jesus(Pbuh) only i dont consider him as god

And lol what makes you say i left my faith

Oh...sorry...that was Senedjem who said that. And...I don't consider Him as God either. I just believe that He and God are one in the same "accord"...He is subjected to the God....

 

[Islam432]

Naw...Jesus here is teaching about the Law, true. However, some Jews had accused Him of not following the Law...when He says, "I have not come to abolish them but to FULFILL them...", He's saying I'm teaching them more clearly and He starts in verses 21-48. Verse 18 He says, "nothing will disappear from the Law UNTIL everything is accomplished"...meaning His death on the Cross. Jesus did not speak against the Law itself, but against the abuses and excesses to which it had been subjected (John 1:17). The Law was to last only till 'the seed' would come and the 'seed' was Christ. (Gal. 3:16-19).

You're doing to me as you say I'm doing to you...please read more and just don't take one verse and "run with it"....

haha you are giving your own interpretation to those versus and even for the sake of argument i agree then jesus(pbuh) also said

"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."John 16:11-13

jesus(pbuh) is clearly telling a Prophet will come who you should follow, and its none other than prophet Muhammad(pbuh) , and still iam following more what jesus(pbuh) said than you do

 

[Green Kepi]

haha you are giving your own interpretation to those versus and even for the sake of argument i agree then jesus(pbuh) also said

"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."John 16:11-13

jesus(pbuh) is clearly telling a Prophet will come who you should follow, and its none other than prophet Muhammad(pbuh) , and still iam following more what jesus(pbuh) said than you do

"My own interpretation"...gee! Jesus here is teaching about sending the Holy Spirit....

 

[sojourner]

Lovely. Muslims telling us how to practice Xy. There's got to be a reference to this thread in the dictionary next to the entry "hubris."

 

[Islam432]

Oh...sorry...that was Senedjem who said that. And...I don't consider Him as God either. I just believe that He and God are one in the same "accord"...He is subjected to the God....

well that's a good thing if you believe he's not God