Prostitution Should Be Legalized

[4consideration]

Thanks ma'am. And the view of women are of equal value to me, if not of more value in such subject.

My main fear is what happens to a prostitute doing her job, including treating her inhumanely while she has no choice but to wait for it to finish. It gives me nightmares. Especially if the prostitute took the job not wanting it. It is the only job I can think of that makes one welcome predators to violate their dignity and honor.

Sorry for that ranting. It just scares me.

On a personal level, I very much agree with you. The thought of doing such a thing for a job, or anyone I know doing it, is very bothersome to me. I would find it horrifying.

However, I also realize that not everyone sees things the way I do, and it is very possible there are some people that would choose such a profession of their own free will. It is very hard for me to imagine someone choosing that job and really wanting it, but I think such people exist. And, for those that may do it not wanting it, I think some legal protection for them in the process may be better than nothing.

 

[Revoltingest]

On a personal level, I very much agree with you. The thought of doing such a thing for a job, or anyone I know doing it, is very bothersome to me. I would find it horrifying.

However, I also realize that not everyone sees things the way I do, and it is very possible there are some people that would choose such a profession of their own free will. It is very hard for me to imagine someone choosing that job and really wanting it, but I think such people exist. And, for those that may do it not wanting it, I think some legal protection for them in the process may be better than nothing.

I can't even imagine being a doctor.
Having to touch other people.....sick people.
Ew.
So I'd be even worse at the gigalo business than you could imagine.
(Please don't imagine it....for your own sake.)

 

[Smart_Guy]

I feel it important to repeat something here.
Advocating legalization of something is not at all the same as supporting the indulgence in it. Often it is just the opposite.
While vices are illegal there is no effective way to regulate and reduce them. They stay underground and out of the reach of better methods of reducing them. They also stay very profitable, rewarding the ruthless people who will supply them, no matter how much damage is done.

So, please do not confuse legalization with endorsement.
Tom

Legalization never happens without endorsement somewhere between the lines. It is your choice to not believe that.

 

[columbus]

Legalization never happens without endorsement somewhere between the lines. It is your choice to not believe that.

I'm not saying that nobody endorses vice. Obviously they do.
I'm saying that legalization is better than the old ways of dealing with crimes that don't have a clear victim. And I believe that the evidence supports my belief.
Tom

 

[columbus]

I can't even imagine being a doctor.

There are people who specialize in the study and treatment of anal warts.
Just to brighten your day.
You are not one of them
Tom

 

[4consideration]

Prostitution has always gone on.
however so has murder, robbery and theft
Are you saying it is better to regulate crime rather than fight it.

At one time it was argued that prositution kept honest men's wives and daughters safe, because it gave evil men an outlet.
However they gave no thought to the wives and daughters corrupted and enslaved.
no prostitute gets out scott free, all are ravaged and permanently harmed.

By defending prostitution you are condemning another person to a degraded and enslaved life. May be the child next door, or a child in your own family...you can not know.

I'm not advocating for anyone to participate in it. I'm discussing whether it is something that people already do that ought to be illegal, or legal.

Murder, robbery and theft are all activities that violate and harm another person. It is for that reason, I do not think it should be allowed, even through regulation. Legal prostitution involves two consenting adults (or more.)

The person who chooses to engage in prostitution is involving himself/herself and the customer. A third party is not actually involved, and only their "sensibilities" may be harmed. They may be bothered by the thought of someone doing that.

If a person wants to boink someone because it feels good, or a person wants to boink someone for some money, what is really the difference? I think the difference is when money is involved and the activity is illegal, the prostitutes are in more danger than they may be otherwise.

I am not condemning another person to anything. I think that's a ridiculous notion. No one "should" participate in prostitution, yet they still choose to do so without even knowing what my opinion is on the matter, much less being influenced by it. If someone is being forced into prostitution, I would consider that rape -- and an entirely different matter.

The biggest concern I have regarding prostitution is the woman/girls trafficked and held captive for sex purposes. That's a horrible practice.

I think if there is a regulatory agency where women/men have to go in for examination and licensing there's at least a chance those women could say "Help, I'm being held and used against my will." There's some chance that those people that purchase sex would go to a place that medically tests and licenses, instead of purchasing on the street.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I'm not saying that nobody endorses vice. Obviously they do.
I'm saying that legalization is better than the old ways of dealing with crimes that don't have a clear victim. And I believe that the evidence supports my belief.
Tom

Just to be clear, I never meant to imply endorsement of vice against anyone. I'm looking at it neutrally because I know different cultures look at different things differently.

 

[Underhill]

Legalization never happens without endorsement somewhere between the lines. It is your choice to not believe that.

I'm not a fan of meaningless gestures. Call it what you want, endorsement or not, I care about what is better for the women involved in the trade. Currently they have no protections, no recourse if something goes wrong... it's a nasty business.

I wouldn't engage in the practice and wouldn't advise someone to. But my opinion will not change the very real situation. Legalizing it could.

 

[FearGod]

Prostitution in my opinion is a disgusting thing for both women and men.

Sexual relationships should be based on romantic relationships which
can never be achieved by money.

 

[freethinker44]

My main fear is what happens to a prostitute doing her job, including treating her inhumanely while she has no choice but to wait for it to finish.

Why would they have no choice but to finish? We're talking legal prostitution here, not sex trafficking. That would still be completely illegal. In fact, in order to help separate sex trafficking from legal prostitution, the licensing process could include a one on one interview with a victims support social worker or something. So they can only be licensed if someone trained in spotting sex trafficking victims is satisfied they aren't being forced in to it.
Otherwise there is no reason she would have to wait for it to finish or have sex with anyone she isn't comfortable with.

It gives me nightmares. Especially if the prostitute took the job not wanting it. It is the only job I can think of that makes one welcome predators to violate their dignity and honor.

We all take jobs we don't want. Being a prostitute isn't optimal, and it's not a long term solution, but at least it will pay the bills. And apparently pays very well, even with what seems like the worst employment contract in history, it's still like $100 per hour after everyone else gets their cut.

 

[freethinker44]

It's not exactly a women friendly business whether legal or not. But I would lean in favor of it being legal.

That math is pretty lousy. Typical bill must be what? $500? So the house gets $250, the driver (this one surprised me) gets $150 and the woman who actually does the deed gets $100?

No wonder illegal prostitution is still thriving in Nevada.

Yeah 30% for the cab driver seems kind of high. The cab driver gets paid more? I'm skeptical of this. I can see a 30% tip on the meter charges, but 30% of the total brothel bill? That's ridiculous.

 

[Oldsoul]

Let's empathize for a bit..?

How many would accept money in exchange for sexual favors?

How would you feel if a cousin, a sister, your mother worked in a brothel for a living or supplemental income?

Many are forgetting legalizing prostitution is one issue .. but prostitution accompanies a mountain of other issues. (Usually drug related)

'The Bunny Ranch' , and 'The Red light District' are examples of prostitution and the law in sync, but.. those are prime examples..
Copying either concepts then inecting similar establishments in (some) states would spell disaster.!

Wherever there is a high priced brothel.. there usually are low priced hooker house /drug ridden den near by..

Prostitution carries a specific clientele...
How would you feel knowing a massive amount of individuals visiting your state.. were visiting just to buy sex?

Just curious to hear what others would say if the issue was personalized in detail.

 

[columbus]

Prostitution in my opinion is a disgusting thing for both women and men.

I agree. Which is why I want to see the most effective methods used to fight it. Not the same methods that have been failing for centuries.
The reason prostitution is still so widespread is that the old ways of fighting it don't work.

Sexual relationships should be based on romantic relationships which
can never be achieved by money.

Where do you draw the line between "women who do what they must, given their options", and prostitution? If a woman stays with an abusive husband because her other choices in the culture are worse, is she a prostitute?

The best way to end prostitution is to make the other options available to women more robust.
Tom

 

[McBell]

Let's empathize for a bit..?

How many would accept money in exchange for sexual favors?

How would you feel if a cousin, a sister, your mother worked in a brothel for a living or supplemental income?

Many are forgetting legalizing prostitution is one issue .. but prostitution accompanies a mountain of other issues. (Usually drug related)

'The Bunny Ranch' , and 'The Red light District' are examples of prostitution and the law in sync, but.. those are prime examples..
Copying either concepts then inecting similar establishments in (some) states would spell disaster.!

Wherever there is a high priced brothel.. there usually are low priced hooker house /drug ridden den near by..

Prostitution carries a specific clientele...
How would you feel knowing a massive amount of individuals visiting your state.. were visiting just to buy sex?

Just curious to hear what others would say if the issue was personalized in detail.

So it is your opinon to maintain the staus quo?
All while pretending to "care" about the victims?

 

[Oldsoul]

So it is your opinon to maintain the staus quo?
All while pretending to "care" about the victims?

Sounds like your opinion..
How about you eloborate on that?

 

[McBell]

Sounds like your opinion..
How about you eloborate on that?

All the people who you want everyone to empaphise with if it were legal need that emphasising now.
You seem to want to maintain the status quo.
You seem to be saying you think making it legal will make it worse.

 

[columbus]

How many would accept money in exchange for sexual favors?

How much for what?
Tom

 

[FearGod]

I agree. Which is why I want to see the most effective methods used to fight it. Not the same methods that have been failing for centuries.
The reason prostitution is still so widespread is that the old ways of fighting it don't work.

It's easy, men should realize that their money is wasted for BS, women don't have
any feelings towards a man doing it for money.

Where do you draw the line between "women who do what they must, given their options", and prostitution? If a woman stays with an abusive husband because her other choices in the culture are worse, is she a prostitute?

The best way to end prostitution is to make the other options available to women more robust.
Tom

Divorcing should be the solution for unsuccessful marriages.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I'm not a fan of meaningless gestures. Call it what you want, endorsement or not, I care about what is better for the women involved in the trade. Currently they have no protections, no recourse if something goes wrong... it's a nasty business.

I wouldn't engage in the practice and wouldn't advise someone to. But my opinion will not change the very real situation. Legalizing it could.

Tell that to who brought what you call meaningless gesture to the discussion. I have nothing to do with it. I also don't care what your opinion is and don't remember wanting to change any ones opinion here. I don't know where you got this from and I can't even tell what your point is.

Why would they have no choice but to finish? We're talking legal prostitution here, not sex trafficking. That would still be completely illegal. In fact, in order to help separate sex trafficking from legal prostitution, the licensing process could include a one on one interview with a victims support social worker or something. So they can only be licensed if someone trained in spotting sex trafficking victims is satisfied they aren't being forced in to it.
Otherwise there is no reason she would have to wait for it to finish or have sex with anyone she isn't comfortable with.

We all take jobs we don't want. Being a prostitute isn't optimal, and it's not a long term solution, but at least it will pay the bills. And apparently pays very well, even with what seems like the worst employment contract in history, it's still like $100 per hour after everyone else gets their cut.

Wait, I'm not talking about having it legal vs. illegal, I'm talking about having it allowed by legalizing it vs. having it stopped. I believe it is good if the government can stop it. But since a community can't provide better jobs, can moderate it well and has no problem with the essence of this practice, then I guess it is better to legalize it there instead of having it done with out rules and regulations.

And by the way, I'm not debating anyone's views and opinions in this. All I did was asking questions with some clarifications in between.

 

[Oldsoul]

.
You seem to be saying you think making it legal will make it worse.

I understand why you would get that from my post .

Here is an example. .
Nevada had major hurdles with legalizing prostitution. .

Legalizing prostitution was one thing..
But keeping it "clean" was another set of challenges.

Besides.. Nevada has been "doing it" for a while..

It took them a mountain of effort to "normalize" the legalization.